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Swineshead and recording a group in a different acoustic (1)

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by , 05-13-2011 at 03:39 PM (1043 Views)
By this time I had done a first edit and preliminary mix of "Cold Genius" - see my blog entry of 23 June 2010. I was hired back for a long evening session resulting in at least 15 minutes of finished product for the group's promotion and publicity. I knew there would be several more musicians participating, and that sadly the location for our previous recording was not available. They made the arrangements to rent out a church. On the day of the sessions, I printed out the directions from Google Maps, loaded up the Jetta Diesel Wagon and headed into the country.

Once I turned into the final street to look for the address, I knew I had been there before. This is the location for a prestigious private chamber-music concert series; so prestigious that the series sells out almost immediately and the organisers don't bother to advertise or invite critics to the concerts. I was lucky to tag along with one of the board members and hear some of the concerts over a three-year period, sitting in different locations and hearing different ensembles. How would this work for recording?

A church acoustic can mean anything from "bathtub" to "dry and unpleasant", and range in size from a Gothic cathedral to a relatively small room. This church is shaped vaguely like a diamond with two corners cut off unevenly, and the benches and "stage" curving . The small end would be where the "stage" is, and the large end where the audience sits. In addition, the floor slopes toward the "stage" and there is a curved balcony filling about 2/3 around the space.

The first challenge was that the "stage" was bisected horizontally by a rail, the area closest to the wall being raised a few inches. I decided to place the harpsichordist there so the instrumentalists would have enough space below. Since there were more performers I moved the main and surround mic stands back further than before - I DO keep a stage plot and measurements of every project I record (in addition to mics, levels and gear)!

The slope meant that the rear mic stand would be higher than the front one - would this matter? The carpet would mean a rolling off of high frequencies - how would this affect the pickup of violins and harpsichord? The group would have to be splayed wide horizontally - would I lose clarity of the instruments placed far left and far right? If so, would increasing the distance between the left and right main mics solve this or detract from proper imaging? In an ideal situation, I would have placed the group "campfire" style around the main mic stand so they could hear and see each other better. The presence of benches prevented this...

I ended up using LESS distance between the main mics than previously. Instead of using spot mics on the two solo violinists, I placed them closer to the main mic stand for presence without being "in your face". I used spot mics for the other instruments. I ended up dropping the height of both mic stands; surprisingly this resulted in less harpsichord. One might expect more presence of a keyboard instrument when moving near (or below) the horizontal point of the top of the open lid. However, in this acoustic the results were different. There were the usual problems of traffic and unwanted occupants slamming doors elsewhere in the building, but we did get the required amount of music covered. I was home at 1am

When doing the final mix, a high-pass filter helped tame the boominess of the lowest-pitched instrument; in the stereo mix I also used less of the surround and centre channels. The amount of natural resonance in the building (plus a bit of the surround mics in the stereo mix) meant that I didn't need to create a reverb feed this time around. All in all, an intriguing foray into the world of natural acoustics and how one deals with them in real time!

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Comments

  1. bigtree's Avatar
    Don't stop now! Please tell us more. What mics you use would be most interesting and other gear related info?
    I love reading all your blogs.

    Kudo's
  2. swineshead's Avatar
    Thanks, bigtree! See my gear list - omnis for main mics, and (this time around) cardiods for spot mics.
  3. bigtree's Avatar
    Ah, the Orpheus. I want one. How are the preamps in that?
  4. swineshead's Avatar
    I used the SADiE LRX2 this time (it has 16 analogue and 16 AES I/O). The L/R were through the Forssell 2-ch mic pre and the rest through the SADiE mic/line cards. Those preamps and A/D are fantastic. The Orpheus mis pres and A/D are also fantastic (it offers separate mixes, more routing flexibility but only has 8 channels of analogue I/O).
  5. bigtree's Avatar
    I'd love to hear some of your recordings. Do you have any links available?
  6. bigtree's Avatar
    Ah, what a treat, you are very good. Thank you!
    I have many more questions that I hope you don't mind me asking on your techniques?
  7. bigtree's Avatar
    David, thank you for the invitation, you are a wealth of information. I wish I could attend this but I'm afraid I'm a few thousand miles away to make it possible. Will you video tape this? If so, please let us know?
  8. bigtree's Avatar
    Hi David, how did that all go in San Francisco? What are you doing these days?

    I've been reading more about you, found this article: SADiE News: 'Golden Ears' David v.R Bowles extols the quality of Orpheus

    Also, I have an Orpheus now, just got it! So I have two wonderful mobile systems now. I recently bought the Lavry AD11 for 2 track mobile work ( its excellent!) and I now have an Orpheus for larger projects.

    Have you looked into the Thunderbolt adaptor
    Prism Sound News: Thunderbolt solution for Prism Sound Orpheus and ADA-8XR interfaces
  9. bigtree's Avatar
    David,

    Love the cello and the sound here!
    For these tracks, Bach: Six Suites for Unaccompanied Cello - Tanya Tomkins | AllMusic
    Are these the pre-amps of the Orpheus? Do you ever/ or what external mic-pres do you use with the Orpheus?

    What mic(s) did you use?
    What sample rate?

    Do you keep it flat or what processing do you usually do? Do you ever use a bit of EQ?
    Do you normalize?
    Do you master these or are they tracked and bounced, done?


    Thanks!
  10. swineshead's Avatar
    Wow. Lots of questions.

    The four mics (L/R/LS/RS) had their own dedicated pres - as it happens, the're for sale:

    http://www.soundpure.com/p/sonodore-4-microphone-rcm-402-b-omni-mic-system/3385

    O
    therwise, I used an AEA TRP for the centre ribbon. There was no spot miking.
    I used some acoustic damping in the room, and used a steep HPF to cut out frequencies below the range of the cello. I normalized once all the editing was complete.
    Everything was recorded at 24/96 and converted to 16/44.1 using Prism SNS3.