I've tried searching the forums for discussion on the m-400, but couldn't seem to find anything. Anyone have opinions about this vs. the yamaha? The digital snake and lower price point make it look pretty attractive...
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I've tried searching the forums for discussion on the m-400, but couldn't seem to find anything. Anyone have opinions about this vs. the yamaha? The digital snake and lower price point make it look pretty attractive...
It's a Roland product. Name one digital audio mixing product that Roland has launched with success, and continued to support it.
If your Roland mixer fails, or your digital snake fails/is damaged, you have to locate another one locally to make your system work. That will be much easier to do with a Yamaha.
The Yamaha has had some issues. I think that they are getting the bugs worked out. I would go Yamaha myself.
Amen to that! Besides, if you wait another couple of months, musicians' friend will have the Roland on sale for 80% off list!Quote:
Originally Posted by sheet
I work at a production company that owns both of these. They're completely different animals. It's like comparing a lion and a zebra. If you have the money go with the M7CL. There's tons more power in it, it's easier to use and has those little "extras" like direct outs. Well, that's not an extra but the M-400 doesn't have em. Just an example of the dumb things Roland sometimes does.
Wow, you guys already have one? Being so new, I figured there is much of a user base out there yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadTurki
I'm probably what you'd call your typical church volunteer who is feverishly researching and learning all I can about live audio and recording. We will be building later this year and will purchasing a new mixer at that time. I've more or less narrowed down to these two choices, but definitely like the price of the Roland (we don't have the massive budget that some churches have: we're in New England, way north of the Bible belt). We have a traditional style of worship, so no drum kits or bass guitars; just piano, keyboard, small orchestra, choir... We currently record with Cubase Studio 4.1 (this would be a vote towards Yamaha, I suppose). Does the Roland have an Asio driver or do they really ONLY work with Sonar? As far as the lack of direct outs... with the digital snake, can't you just use a standard ethernet switch to split your channel inputs to a DAW and essentially have no need for direct outs?
As an owner of both units, can you give any more specific advice for someone in my shoes... hey, that would be me!
Thanks!
we are a portable church and just bought the m400 with a 32/8 snake....this thing is AWESOME!!!....i have been using a gl2400 and have no experience with digital boards and it was a breeze....the fact you can connect the stage with the board with only a cat5 wire is amazing.... :D ...the whole system cost us just under 12,000.00....with a case included.....i would diff recommend the m400 so far so good
It's great that it is working out for you now. Let us know how things go.
I know this is an old topic but the M-400 is a great buy. at its price point it is a great step for a church or theatre application. the fact that you can get a 90 source input system (48 channels of mixing at one given time) INCLUDING the s4000 snakes, and 40ch recording package, for half the price of a pain in the arse M7CL (CONSOLE ONLY) is huge. i notice some people have an issue with the m400s lack of a touch screen... i think this is a plus! if you have ever used the M7CL you know the headache of hitting the wrong button or having to navigate through menus to get to your compressor or eq.. live, this can really SUCK. touch screens also don't get bright enough for a show outdoors in the daylight... in this setting, your M7CL basically becomes useless unless you have shade. the m400 is very visible even in sunlight. there is also some speculation about Roland not supporting products which has been true, but this is RSS not Roland. RSS has had this mixer and snake system in mind for a little over 10 years even through all their other "BS" products. RSS is a division of Roland yes, but they are still a small company.. which means their product line consists of two main products the M400 V-mixer and the s4000 and s1608 Digital snakes... which means the staff and designers have dedication, and advocacy for the products and stand by them and will continue to stand by them. they have really paved the road to growth in this line from what i see, the mixer has been shipping for a little over a year now and they have already had 2 versions of the software which i downloaded to my thumb drive and uploaded directly into my console. the price point is a testament to their passion... they aren't trying to make you pay royalties for owning the "NAME" printed on the console or the "MICROSOFT" operating system, it is RSS goal to have people embrace the technology! These products being released is what RSS has really been waiting for the last 10 years and now they have finally arrived.
"SPAM"?
I smell a rat. I have a friend who is a Roland dealer in a major metropolitan city here in the sunny South. His crew has installed 3 of the Roland systems in local churches. EVERY ONE of them has experienced problems with the OS and the "included at no extra charge" digital snake (apparently intermittency issues). His big bitch, though, is that Roland is slow to rectify ( or even admit to ) these problems...What's new? LOL!!!
Personally, I believe that Roland bit off more than they can chew on this product. That's to be expected when you have a poor track record in this biz and try to be an all-in-one product...