The only solution to your problem would be pro tools mpowered($300) and a m-audio firewire 1814($500). So 800 bucks and you can get essentially the same thing as a 002r for half the price. And just so you know mpowered and LE are nearly the exact if not the exact same thing, and pro tools 7 is out or will be very very shortly for mpowered.

pro tools 7 Mpowered is out now

ProTools Mpowered is not the same as LE. Mpowered is a full version of ProTools ported for the Delta Cards. LE is the limited edition that should be shipping with the latest M-audio Hardware.

?? actually i think le stands for my buddy leroy edmond hes a plumber who uses all kinds of tools. very pro tools hes norwegian and smells great. Sorry I figure nothing else makes sense here might as well add to the madness. I apologize in advance for my retarded humor.

hueseph wrote: ProTools Mpowered is not the same as LE. Mpowered is a full version of ProTools ported for the Delta Cards. LE is the limited edition that should be shipping with the latest M-audio Hardware.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you intentionally trying to mess with someone? Mpowered is nearly identical to LE in every way. It runs on more than just the delta cards in fact it runs with many of m-audios cards/interfaces. Yes LE stands for limited edition, and when it says limited its basing that against a TDM system. Mpowered is not a TDM version of pro tools, therefore it isn't a "full" version, its limited to 32 tracks just like pro tools LE its limited on power, can't do surround sound, etc..... And no pro tools software ships with m-audio hardware, you have to buy it seperatly. Stop getting on here and talking about stuff you have no clue about. And Mud, most of the stuff on this thread makes sense except what ever the hell Hueseph is talking about.

cheapest 8 channels

Behringer ADA8000 Ultragain Pro 8-Channel A/D D/A Converter

Re: cheapest 8 channels

pappadelicious wrote: Behringer ADA8000 Ultragain Pro 8-Channel A/D D/A Converter

Are Behringer products Protools compatable?

I will be using Protools LE and want to use my Metric Halo 2882 converters. The interface will only be used to accept the adat light pipe from the 2882 and deliver it to Protools.

Thanks to everyone for the help.

Yeah the ada8000 is compatible with pro tools, its uses the adat light pipe but if you're already going to use the adat for something then there's no need for the ada8000, besides I'd pay the extra 300 for at least the m-audio octane. I own the ada8000 and its pre's aren't very good at all.

See if [[url=http://[/URL]="http://www.frontier…"]this[/]="http://www.frontier…"]this[/] or any of the rest from Frontier Design will work for you. Personally, I'd stay clear of the ADA8000. To me, the converters are'nt good at all, which obviously amounts to a cruddy dynamic range.

What are you guys talking about. LE and Mpowered Pro Tools are not the same. If you want to use Pro Tools LE nothing is compatible with it but a digidesign box like the 002. If you want to use Mpowered pro tools then there are certain box's that will work cheaply but the software is not the same as the rest of the Pro Tools family.

QuickDiscs wrote: What are you guys talking about. LE and Mpowered Pro Tools are not the same. If you want to use Pro Tools LE nothing is compatible with it but a digidesign box like the 002. If you want to use Mpowered pro tools then there are certain box's that will work cheaply but the software is not the same as the rest of the Pro Tools family.

I'm not talking about which interfaces each goes with, when I say they're they same we're talking about the software, how it operates, its function, the layout. Again, pro tools le and pro tools mpowered are nearly identical in functionality. And if you read all of my posts on here you'll realize that all you did here was repeat some of the same things I said. Refer to my second post.

Sorry to question your mightiness. Johnnyc. I didn't realize I was in the presence of a guru. I was under the impression that M-audio was now shipping the new Delta cards with ProTools LE. Apparently I was wrong. It's not the first time. You don't have to jump down my throat to tell me though. I'm not JP. So if you can let go of that retention just a few seconds.....there breathe. Good.

mud5150 wrote: ?? actually i think le stands for my buddy leroy edmond hes a plumber who uses all kinds of tools. very pro tools hes norwegian and smells great. Sorry I figure nothing else makes sense here might as well add to the madness. I apologize in advance for my retarded humor.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I can appreciate the humor. You may be right as well....

I will try to answer the question. A few of the people answering above was a bit off.

As I understand it you want to transfer 8 already digitized signals (lightpipe) into a ProTools program.

Your choices as far as I am aware of are
1) Firewire 1814 + ProTools Mpowered. MSRP is usd 600 + 350 = 950. Lowest price M-Audio interface with lightpipe.

The program ProTools MPowered is basically the same as ProTools LE in most user aspects as far as I can see. It only works with a "select list" of M-Audio hardware though. Will not work with Digidesign hardware

2) Digidesign 002R.
About 1400 usd msrp. Includes ProTools LE. This program will not run with any M-Audio hardware.

From most all other user aspects the two programs are the same. Same limit of 32 channels (older versions were 24 channels).

ProTools LE as well as M-Powered has a lot of the user interface in common with the "real" ProTools. Works quite differently under the hood though, but for what it does it is a good program. Not the best if you ask me though (but that is me then). Personally I´ve stopped using PT LE.

If all you want to do is track things and later mix them in PT, you can always track in another program and transfer the sound files.

Gunnar

dabmeister music wrote: ... or any of the rest from Frontier Design will work for you. Personally, I'd stay clear of the ADA8000. To me, the converters are'nt good at all, which obviously amounts to a cruddy dynamic range.

mmmm :shock:
rather than just say that
why not tell us what converters are used in the ADA8000
then
tell us what converters are used in the Frontier products ??
It could be that, it is in the op-amps or associated analog stage whereyou can hear a difference.
The ADA8000 uses Wavefront chips and the design is directly based on the Application notes from Wavefront

AL1101
Analog-to-Digital Converter

currently the ADA8000 seems to be out of production
I hear it is to do with the discontinuance of one of the chips and supply has dried up
yet to find out for sure

ANYWAY the original question was about getting into PT and I think he already has an Analog to Lightpipe unit.

the only current choices are 002 and an M-Audio product
or
second hand 001

side note:
Mobile I/O 2882 supports simultaneous input and output of all the major audio standards: analog balanced & unbalanced (Mic, Line & Instrument), S/PDIF, AES, ADAT® Optical & IEEE 1394.

I seem to recall someone very high in the Film Production food chain ...
had an LE systenm that would directly talk to one of these things through the Firewire Port (IEEE 1394).
But the chances of you getting that version of the software is probably very remote ... and for it to be the latest version would mean you need a Digi Insider as a very close friend.
8)

hueseph wrote: Sorry to question your mightiness. Johnnyc. I didn't realize I was in the presence of a guru. I was under the impression that M-audio was now shipping the new Delta cards with ProTools LE. Apparently I was wrong. It's not the first time. You don't have to jump down my throat to tell me though. I'm not JP. So if you can let go of that retention just a few seconds.....there breathe. Good.

I apologize its just that two people now have gotten on this thread and given inaccurate information. Its cool to help people out but you really need to make sure the facts are straight when you do. The only reason stufff like this really bothers me is when I first got started recording I took the advice of an idiot who had no clue what he was talking about yet sounded so confident. I followed his advice and basically wasted about 500 bucks before I decided to learn my self. And yeah on this website you're in the presence of many many guru's. Some of us live eat and breath recording. Daily addiction for a year and a half so far.

yep

you must do your own research
and understand what it is you are putting your money on

Kev, you do have a valid point there. However I was'nt aware that both products shared the same or similarity in AD/DA chipsets. Maybe I should have recommended what I currently use, (only if it were compatible) which is a couple of layla24 interfaces w/ adat I/O. But my mind was stuck on really budget oriented gear, so that was the first thing that came to mind.

If all you want to do is track things and later mix them in PT, you can always track in another program and transfer the sound files.

This is what I'd do instead of transfering adat I/O between devices. You now, sometimes we feel the need to go beyond certain boundaries and in this case, I think it's a little unjustifiable (to a certain degree). Hell, if it were me, I'd just fire up the ol' XT20 and take care of any tranfers if needed and save myself a few hundred dollars at the same time. There's all kinds of theoretical ways of doing things, but only a few will yield you the results you may be after. BTW, the 001 lacks the adat I/O connectivity.

All

Thanks for responding to my posts. You have confirmed what I had originally thought.

Will an Apogee Rosetta 800 w/ the HD card work with Protools LE without additional hardware? If so, I would rather sell my MH Labs 2882 and get the Apogee, than buy Digidesign, or Maudio hardware.

James

I have learned the Rosetta 800 is not possible without additional hardware.

dabmeister music wrote: Kev, you do have a valid point there. However I was'nt aware that both products shared the same or similarity in AD/DA chipsets. Maybe I should have recommended what I currently use, (only if it were compatible) which is a couple of layla24 interfaces w/ adat I/O. But my mind was stuck on really budget oriented gear, so that was the first thing that came to mind.

If all you want to do is track things and later mix them in PT, you can always track in another program and transfer the sound files.

This is what I'd do instead of transfering adat I/O between devices. You now, sometimes we feel the need to go beyond certain boundaries and in this case, I think it's a little unjustifiable (to a certain degree). Hell, if it were me, I'd just fire up the ol' XT20 and take care of any tranfers if needed and save myself a few hundred dollars at the same time. There's all kinds of theoretical ways of doing things, but only a few will yield you the results you may be after. BTW, the 001 lacks the adat I/O connectivity.

Well. My apologies. I am usually careful what I say. Then there's the rest of the time when I talk out of my butthole. At any rate, I don't think 32 tracks is much of a restriction for a lot of people.

PostColonial wrote:
Will an Apogee Rosetta 800 w/ the HD card work with Protools LE without additional hardware?

No. ProTools LE requires one of the supported Digidesign boxes to be connected to even start. The boxes supported are: 002, 002R, MBox and MBox2. (Older versions of ProTools supports 001 and maybe some other Digidesign Hardware).

If you want to run the Apogee, best bet is probably "ADAT Toslink" into a 002R.

ProTools HD is a different system as far as hardware goes at a very different price point. The Rosetta HD card allows you to connect directly to a ProTools HD card (price around 8k new) and run the ProTools HD software (not LE).

Gunnar