Studio Sound Treatment

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:30 am

I also love cubase!!! Cubase SX (up to version 1.05!!!) is the most stable piece of audio software I have ever used, even better than 5.1 (sorry Fats!). My problem was with 1.05, and even more importantly, with their "rollback" procedure that *didn't* rollback!!! Long story, but I could never recover. I am now back on SX 1.03, and it is "Rock Solid" once again! Very Happy

Here is an update on my studio redesign:

I have actually decided to make some *more* design changes to the desk that I am building. I went to buy some of the materials, and found out that for practicalilty's sake, I needed to change a few of the dimensions. Also, I was looking at a commercial desk that is close to what I am trying to build, and it gave me some ideas for improvements, so "it is back to the drawing board" as they say! I still plan to build the desk over the Christmas break...I get 2 full weeks off now! I go back to work on January 6th! Yeah!!! Very Happy

Of course all the holiday festivites might negatively effect the look of my desk! :d:

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:30 pm

No Cubase beef here!

I've got an OLD version. So I don't even have any real world input.

I was makin a crack on the upgrade causing Mr.DoubleHelix's horror story.
It was an upgrade "fix" crack. Tis all.

And, isn't that "roll back" feature only good if you got the product at WalMart?

(Yes, another bad joke Very Happy

. As if I have an endless supply......)

4 Days until I git my stuff!!! GooooooooSanta!

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2002 9:04 pm

Lets get this one started again.. this should do it Very Happy

he he he
Over in DAW world Steve (Knightfly) posted this nugget! Very Happy

on the thread titled,
"Topic: Granite Bay - where are they+are they worth it ," in reference to this topic.. I thought I'd drag it back here to keep in context and on thread.

Quote:

"Now you know why I advocated piecemeal (incremental cut and try) placement when Fats was saying "just do it all" - (Schizen-tific method)"

Hey! Hey! Hey!.., That's not fair at all. In the first place if James had done everything I said in the first place (which I said he need to do ) what I told him to do, would have worked! Very Happy

(Sounds like a Red Green mantra, doesn't it?) I described a classic live end dead end set up. And I specified that there was a bare minimum that needed to be done,… and he never got all the way there…

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It's my opinion, I'll play with it if I want to!
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:06 pm

Well, I'm finally returning to this thread after roughly 9+ long months! Perhaps I should start my own thread, but much of the information I'm referencing is here, so...

For reference, my room is 15x11x8 LxWxH. There is a 6' wide by 3.5' tall window between then live and control rooms in the middle of one of the 15' walls.

Anyhoo, on with the topic!

In the meantime, I've learned of Ethan Wiener's (sp?) DIY version of Real Traps, and I think the best solution would be to build these and outfit my control room with them. However, best doesn't always = most practical. I have a friend who might help me throw traps together for free, but his time is rather restricted. There are sme other considerations that make building traps less practical as well, which I'll address in few lines or so.

Another approach is the one described in great detail in this very thread: gettin' crazy with the foam! This would be the least expensive option, but it also has drawbacks for my setup. I'm might be too picky, but I really don't want my CR to get any darker than it already is and the foam choices I have would turn it into the BatCave. No thanks! The markertek stuff comes in blue or black, sonex and auralex comes in white but I ain't payin' that much for foam!! Hence, I'm more seriously considering building traps.

Either approach requires the removal of 1/2" thick gray berber carpet that is adhered to the side walls of the control room. The front wall (behind speakers) is a very nice looking oak plank diamond pattern that will be a shame to cover up, but it will be necessary. Presently, there is no treatment of any kind covering the oak wall. Imagine my imaging problems! Actually I have a way of dealing with that problem, which I might describe later.

In my setup, traps are not without their drawbacks as well. First, overall they will be more expensive to build, both in terms of time and money, than applying foam. Second, I have serious doubts that my friend above will be able to take on a serious project like this given his schedule. That leaves the cabinetry shop in my industrial park. If I suppplied them with all the needed pieces and instructions on putting them together, it would cost me something, but it might be worth it. Considering trading studio time for their services, if they're interested.

I'm not sure where to start except I have most of the budget in place to build traps, as long as the cabinet guys don't ask a fortune. Or I can go the foam route and deal with the darkness. The benefit to the latter is that I can do most of it myself.

My concerns are that I'm thinking the foam route would not return as favorable results as traps and poly's. Oh yeah, I should mention that I'm looking at building poly's for the side walls and the back of the room.

In any event, right now the CR is rather dead sounding with odd imaging and low end problems in the montoring position. I'm sure there are standing waves and modal problems running rampant. The back wall is covered in 1/2" beige carpet and has no diffusion aside from a wooden stereo cabinet filled with magazines, tools, and blank digital media. At best, I've got a sort of backwards LEDE setup going, although I'd hardly even call it that. It's really little more than screwed up!

The third option seems the least likely since reading what Steve has had to say the dispersion requirements of speakers when they're widely spaced from eachother in corner soffits. If it makes snese to try for my room, I'm into it. The speakers I'm using are JBL LSR28P's. These are self-powered, so I'd be concerned that soffitting them would create a definite fire hazard and/or shorten the life expentancy of myself and the built-in amplifiers. Funny how it seems assumed in Moulton's EQ article that the speakers would be passive... I mean, what if someone were to build soffits with that assumption and self-powered monitors?? Yikes!

Ok this is becoming a long post... to summarize, I'm trying to decide which way to go with the CR acoustics given the benefit's a drawbacks of each approach.

If you guys aren't on vacation or something, and are still willing to help a poor acoustically challenged fool, I'm all eyes!!

Thanks,

Jackson

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:54 am

Perhaps you've not seen Ethans newest, and I might add awesome, minitraps-

http://realtraps.com/minitraps.htm

They work wonders.

Also, if you want another foam supplier that's reasonable try here-

http://foambymail.com/soundproofing.html

Lots of colors. You are correct though, foam won't do as good a job as minitraps. Good luck with your project.

Dan

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:43 am

Jackson,

Dan has the right idea. In most cases MiniTraps are just as good if not better than panel traps, and they're inexpensive enough to be competitive with the cost of just the parts for panel traps.

--Ethan

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:15 am

Ethan, can u please tell me in detail how ur mini-traps work ? thanks

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 11:23 am

to be specific how is it different from covering up thick rigid fiber-glass w/cloth n putting it up across the corners ?

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:23 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Ethan Winer:
Jackson,

Dan has the right idea. In most cases MiniTraps are just as good if not better than panel traps, and they're inexpensive enough to be competitive with the cost of just the parts for panel traps.

--Ethan

Thanks, Ethan. That's great news! I'm on my way to your Real Traps page.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:27 pm

Q, the link to Real Traps provided by Dan answer all of your questions.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 7:47 pm

"to be specific how is it different from covering up thick rigid fiber-glass w/cloth n putting it up across the corners ? "
yeah i've read everything on his sight but i'm still curious about my last question. thanks

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:33 am

Q,

> can u please tell me in detail how ur mini-traps work ? <

I could, but then I'd have to kill you. Very Happy

> how is it different from covering up thick rigid fiber-glass w/cloth n putting it up across the corners ? <

There's more inside a MiniTrap than just rigid fiberglass.

--Ethan

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:35 am

ok thanks Ethan that's all i wanted to hear. i'll start saving up Smile

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:43 am

Q,

> i'll start saving up <

My purpose here is to help people, not to sell products. And especially since you're so far away I'm glad for you to build your own treatment. But my partner and I went to a lot of trouble and spent a lot of money to develop MiniTraps. So there's no way we'll just give away the design.

Even if you bought a MiniTrap and took it apart, you still wouldn't be able to duplicate its performance because it uses a special membrane material we have custom manufactured just for us.

--Ethan

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 7:53 am

Jackson, I'm kinda short on time at the moment, but if you think your speakers can't be soffited you should look at Update 2, here -

http://www.johnlsayers.com/Studio/Mainpage/MP-Sjoko.htm

Also, it would probably be better, as dispersed as this thread has become, if you started your own thread - maybe that one would stay focussed better... Steve

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