Expert sugguestions on an advanced guitar recording setup

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:37 pm

Jp22 wrote:

"1)" Correction: Compression doesn't clip anything? WRONG. It can either clip peaks of levels that are too high, soften them or create a "wall".... and if used improperly it can completely destroy dynamics.

Limiters shave off peaks, compressors reduce gain.

Jp22 wrote:

"2)" Correction: Saying any old guitar amp on a whim has compression built in is ridiculous. Total lunacy, unless maybe if the amp was cranked to "11", then it *might* be possible.

Distortion on a tube amp is overloading the tube, thus bringing up the floor to a higher level while keeping the peaks at the same level, resulting in a natural compression. Solid state distortion circuts try to achieve this effect by essentially re-amplifing the already amplified signal in the preamplification stage. This is why tube amps produce odd order harmonics with distortion and solid state amps produce even order harmonics with distortion.

Jp22 wrote:

"3)" Correction: I ain't "alot of people".

No, you're walters when he's drunk.

Jp22 wrote:

"4)" Correction: No shit, but we aren't talking about tape are we.

"Tape" refers to any medium to which you are recording something. I, for one, prefer working on 2 inch rather than computer. But hey, that's just me. You're the reason why the term "recording engineer" holds no credentials now. Its people like you who think they know it all because the box says "your own studio" or something a long those lines that are ruining the industry. Its not about how much gear you have, what kind of gear you have, how many plugins, who makes those plugins (well, some of them, especially those by the company you said, suck balls and should not even be called a plugin but rather a plugup), its not even how much you know, its just how you apply it. I don't care what you read in magazines or online or in the manuals or from the salesmen at tech support, I want to know credentials. For all I can tell is you're a know it all that thinks that if its in the manual, in a magazine, said by tech support, shows up on a google search, or is told to you at some seminar, then it is the truth. You have no clue on what you're talking about. McCheese knows a hell of a lot more than you appear to know.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:41 pm

McCheese wrote:

Syntrillium is saying that compression can be used to keep an input from clipping.

WRONG AGAIN. This is NOT what they said and you are twisting it and taking it out of context again. Some people never learn.

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Your inferior thought process is not translating that correctly. I bet it comes out as something like "COMPRESSION GOOD, DYNAMICS BAD" before you get distracted by something shiny.

Actually, in reality, your insults are continuing to get you further to nowhere. You're just making yourself look more and more like a fool.

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You're a disgrace to humanity, and should be shot before you reproduce.

Violence isn't going to help you be correct when your wrong, its a shame someone would think they had to resort to something physical to try to proove twisted points that make no sense. Next time try to get it right the first time and you wont be wrong the rest of your life. Think about how others might feel about it more
instead of yourself. When musicians say they don't like what your handing them don't say "hey don't worry buddy, it'll sound better in the mix, trust me, i'm ruining it for your benefit", otherwise you'll get no more business and people will start to hate you for giving them something you wanted but what they didnn't want. It only shows your own self-centeredness.

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I think it is in your best interest to find another hobby/career, like moving objects from one spot to another. Something with a shallow learning curve and minimal mental processing. I'd suggest bagging at a grocery store,

Actually , soon assholes like you will be bagging Mr., cuz you wont have anymore clients (if your an engineer) due to your ego being too large for your own good. No one wants to deal with your self- centered "i'll ruin it for you, trust me, i'll sound good" attitude. Musicians would rather have their own sound, NOT YOURS.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:46 pm

Oh yeah, and mixing.... I hate garlic and I hate chicken, but when I put them together I'm in love. Music is made up of a wide frequency spectrum. Each instrument needs its own space. Believe it or not, on 99% of records out there where the kick sound really strong and in your face, if it were solo'd it'd sound like a basketball. The bass needs some room to operate too.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:49 pm

The best part of all this is that he came in and asked a question, but he already has all the answers! D00D U R TEH PRO!!!!

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:52 pm

McCheese wrote:

The best part of all this is that he came in and asked a question, but he already has all the answers! D00D U R TEH PRO!!!!

I've noticed that he's just like walters. He asks a questions, and when people give him answers, he argues saying his answers are right.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:56 pm

They probably come from the same Aunt/Mom and Uncle/Dad

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:57 pm

BrianAltenhofel wrote:

Limiters shave off peaks, compressors reduce gain.

My compressor has a limiter and a gain reducer on it.

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Distortion on a tube amp is overloading the tube, thus bringing up the floor to a higher level while keeping the peaks at the same level, resulting in a natural compression.

I don't own a tube amp! HAHA!

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No, you're walters when he's drunk.

I have no clue who that is but for the record i'm not a drinker and I do not do drugs.

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You're the reason why the term "recording engineer" holds no credentials now. Its people like you who think they know it all because the box says "your own studio" or something a long those lines that are ruining the industry. Its not about how much gear you have, what kind of gear you have, how many plugins, who makes those plugins (well, some of them, especially those by the company you said, suck balls and should not even be called a plugin but rather a plugup), its not even how much you know, its just how you apply it. I don't care what you read in magazines or online or in the manuals or from the salesmen at tech support, I want to know credentials. For all I can tell is you're a know it all that thinks that if its in the manual, in a magazine, said by tech support, shows up on a google search, or is told to you at some seminar, then it is the truth. You have no clue on what you're talking about. McCheese knows a hell of a lot more than you appear to know.

I never made any claim to be an engineer, those words were posted by Mr. "McCheese", the person you say know a hell of alot more than I know. I can proove this since I created this topic! If you go back to the first and second posts I made in this topic you'll see that I was actually asking for advice from an "expert" engineer!As for credentials, you certainly haven't shown any so far, besides, most so-called "engineers" aren't worthy of a hill of beans if all they can do is insult to try to get their point across, which is all McCheese has done thoughout my entire topic. If you call that worthy of being a knowledgable engineer then you too are a fool as everyone else who has responded so far and have shown me NOTHING. Now, actually learn somthing about whats even going on here, go back and read my first two posts.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:07 pm

And you did as walters did and cut off quotes. You should be a politician. Your quote from me talking about distortion and tube amps was cut off early, leaving out the context that shows the relationship between distortion and compression.

So you have a compressor/limiter combo? What kind? Just wondering if it's above the Alesis/Behringer level.

Oh yeah, and there's no water to your statement of "I created this topic". That means jack here.

And... you started the insulting, by asking a question and then coming up with your own "correct" answers because the salesmen at Syntrillium told you so.

Also, you want my creds? Read the forum roll call and look for my post. My background is there, but I need to add 4 more records, including a possibility of working with two major label bands in the near future (I've been called, asked my price since my name was dropped by the bands as someone they enjoy working with, and am waiting to hear back with a definite answer).

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:09 pm

Jp22 wrote:

I could easily give back any minimal dynamics lost compressing with a bit more eq on my mixer

That says it all. That was the first sign you didn't know what you were talking about.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:10 pm

BrianAltenhofel wrote:

Jp22 wrote:

I could easily give back any minimal dynamics lost compressing with a bit more eq on my mixer

That says it all. That was the first sign you didn't know what you were talking about.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that caught that.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:13 pm

I clicked on the topic hoping to help someone, but after I got to that, I knew we had someone who would be as ignorant (or more ignorant) than walters.

Hey McCheese, do you have this topic in its own windows and hitting the refresh button every few minutes like me?

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:15 pm

BrianAltenhofel wrote:

.Hey McCheese, do you have this topic in its own windows and hitting the refresh button every few minutes like me?

Yeah, it's too much fun to let go.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:17 pm

BrianAltenhofel wrote:

And you did as walters did and cut off quotes. You should be a politician. Your quote from me talking about distortion and tube amps was cut off early, leaving out the context that shows the relationship between distortion and compression.

Thats because the rest of your statement was irrelevant rhetoric and I don't own a tube amp! Get it? What more needs to be said? I hate politics!! Furthermore, it still has nothing to do with my topic!!! Arrrrrrrgghhh....

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So you have a compressor/limiter combo? What kind? Just wondering if it's above the Alesis/Behringer level.

Again, irrelevant!!! Go back and read my first two posts.

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Oh yeah, and there's no water to your statement of "I created this topic". That means jack here.

Listen, again i'm not here to debate. If you read my first few posts you'll understand what i'm here for. Comprende? If that still "holds no water" then you too need to see a psychologist.

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And... you started the insulting, by asking a question and then coming up with your own "correct" answers because the salesmen at Syntrillium told you so.

Blah blah blah.... i'm not going to argue with you.

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Also, you want my creds? Read the forum roll call and look for my post. My background is there, but I need to add 4 more records, including a possibility of working with two major label bands in the near future (I've been called, asked my price since my name was dropped by the bands as someone they enjoy working with, and am waiting to hear back with a definite answer).

Well, so far you ain't shown me "jack", so regardless what *your* credentials may be I still haven't seen anything near to answers regarding my main topic inquiries.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:20 pm

Bah, now you're just recycling. Where's Kurt or ITGA when you need them.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:26 pm

McCheese wrote:

Bah, now you're just recycling. Where's Kurt or ITGA when you need them.

I've read that "Kurt Foster's" posts on the NS-10 monitors in these forums (if thats who your talking about). He made himself sound like a complete idiot whining endlessly about those stupid Yahmahoto tree sap cones for sap sucking market whores.... and my woman says his picture is really doofy looking also, how thick are those glasses anyways?

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