Lightly compressing a clean guitar to even out the peaks and tighten up the dynamics is pretty common. Ask around on this one. Maybe you need to reexamine the "purpose of compression".
Compression doesn't "tighten up dynamics" imbecile, it clips the peaks, period. If anything it softens dynamics by shaving the peaks off and too much will destroy the dynamics, not "tighten" them. I agree with "lightly" but as for a distorted sound, i'm sorry but I don't care how right you think you are, your completely wrong, since the dynamics of an overdriven guitar (hence higher peaks) are at a lower threshold, naturally there needs to be more compression. People who say "don't compress distorted guitars" are idiotic. Thats completely false.
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No, you need to have your head examined. If you look at a distortion guitar wave form it's pretty much a solid block.
A solid block?!? Good god man, what an awful sight! I don't know what kind of distortion your referring to but i'd say if your seeing a "solid block" your sound is already completely destroyed!
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"Distortion by nature has an amount of compression in it."
This is also false, completely untrue and you don't know what your talking about. Distortion is distortion (fuzzy sounding, duh) and compression is compression (the clipping of peaking levels). Get a clue, they are two totally separate entities.
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"It's a clipping tube (given it's a tube amp) therefore the tube has reached it's maximum output, and is clipping the waveform. Any further increase in input level to the overdrive tube will only increase the minumum volume, not the already clipped maximum. This would decrease the dynamic range of the sound, which is EXACTLY what a compressor does. Thank you, play again."
Sure, i'll play again, heres another ...ing quarter: Thanks
for the mindless rhetorical rambling rundown of "what a
compressor does" (I didn't ask you for it to begin with!).
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And if you had been doing this for more than two days with your "My mom bought me a studio in a box!" shitty attitude you'd understand that "to tape" is an expression that is used quite commonly, even when tape isn't being used.
Used quite commonly by whom? People who say "tape" when they don't actually mean "tape"? Thats twisted. You need psychological help buddy. I created this post strictly laying out my details very well but what I got in return from you is a psycho version of "tape really isn't tape" and "distortion is really compression". Nutcase!
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See, some of us have been doing this long enough to understand why there are razor blades and rubbing alchohol in a studio, and they aren't used for drugs (not all the time anyways).
Yeah right, you and whos army.... you use razor blades and alcohol for what? Shame.....
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I'm more than happy to suck the low end out of them to make room for the bass and kick.
I think we already know "sucking" is one of your best features, theres really no need for any more details about your aftificial fake processes.
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It's called mixing. Some songs require more work than others. The more elements in a song, the more you have to "make room" for each of them. "Ruining" the sound to make if better in the mix isn't "ruining it, now is it.
As far as i've ever known, again, i've never had to "suck" anything out of a mix to acheive results. "Ruining" another musician's sound to achieve YOUR results in YOUR ego'd out mix is nothing but a self-centered statement from an overpaid washed up 'engineer' who likes to twist phrases into his own confused meanings. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself, Mr. McCheese.
Now I understand why you are having problems. You are are wrong on virtually every point you have made.
1)Compression used properly doesn't clip anything and is very commonly used on clean guitar parts.
2)A distorted amp does in fact have a compression aspect to it.
3)A lot of of people use the phrase "to tape" when referring to recording. They just don't record in your bedroom
4)Razors and alcohol are used for splicing analog tape together.
Now stop tarnishing the title of 'Engineer' by claiming to be one.
Actually, I don't find Mr. "McCheese's" trollish antics to be funny one bit. Whether or not he or whoever thinks hes correct or not is unknown but just to clarify, I don't follow false interpretations or opinions of people (groups or otherwise) who always think they're correct when in reality they're not. I came here looking for simple answers on tracking with a few mics, not a debate on the properties of compression! Trolls seem to be common in forums lately, theres always some idiot screwing it up. Remember, THIS IS MY TOPIC, NOT MR. McCHEESE'S. I AM NOT OPEN FOR DEBATE.
The troll comment was directed at you genius
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Are you saying you actually believe the fake twisted crap these idiots are rolling out? Those are all fake rumors! How people "Compress only clean guitar but not distorted guitar". What a load of shit! I've seen this statement floating around for sometime and its a total crock. Its quite the contrary. Tell me you don't believe if a guitar sounds good and its clean that you need more compression. Completely false. A clean guitar would have lower peaks and need less, not more, just as a louder more distorted guitar would have higher peaks, hence needing more compression. Tell me i'm wrong! Nonsense! I WAS TOLD THIS BY ONE OF THE SYNTRILLIUM ENGINEERS (Adobe Audition, Cool Edit Pro). Now tell me i'm wrong!!
Are you saying you actually believe the fake twisted crap these idiots are rolling out? Those are all fake rumors! How people "Compresses only clean guitar but not distorted guitar". What a load of shit! I've seen this statement floating around for sometime and its a total crock. Its quite the contrary. Tell me you don't believe if a guitar sounds good and its clean that you need more compression. Completely false. A clean guitar would have lower peaks and need less, not more, just as a louder mroe distorted guitar would have higher peaks, hence needing more compression. Tell me i'm wrong! Nonsense!
If we are all so full of shit please quote any source to support this bullshit you are spewing. Surely someone must agree with you.......
I'm done here. Why would a self proclaimed "expert" like yourself even need to have posted the question you did? If your so damn knowledgable you should have your answer already. You really need to shut it and listen. Whether you believe it or not you have no idea what you are talking about although I have no doubt you believe you do.
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I think it's not so much that you're wrong, but that you're wrong AND you're a complete idiot. You're throwing words like "Dynamics" around when you clearly don't understand what they mean.
And for the record, I never said I would never apply compression to a distorted guitar, just that it seemed unneccesarry to track it to tape (I know that "to tape" going to confuse your little brain, but tough shit).
And the SYNTRILLIUM ENGINEERS that are so friggin cool to you, are 1) software engineers, and 2) authors of the programs you mentioned, which coincidentally come with some of the shittiest dynamics plugins I've ever had the displeasure of using. Honestly they could sound great, but I couldn't get past the worlds worst interface.
Are you saying you actually believe the fake twisted crap these idiots are rolling out? Those are all fake rumors! How people "Compress only clean guitar but not distorted guitar". What a load of shit! I've seen this statement floating around for sometime and its a total crock. Its quite the contrary. Tell me you don't believe if a guitar sounds good and its clean that you need more compression. Completely false. A clean guitar would have lower peaks and need less, not more, just as a louder more distorted guitar would have higher peaks, hence needing more compression. Tell me i'm wrong! Nonsense! I WAS TOLD THIS BY ONE OF THE SYNTRILLIUM ENGINEERS (Adobe Audition, Cool Edit Pro). Now tell me i'm wrong!!
Fine. You're wrong. You are talking apples and oranges. They were likely refering to distortion generated by overloading the input to your sound card. Compression would tame the signal thus not distorting the input of the card. If the signal coming into the card was clean (ie not overloading the soundcard inputs) there would be no need for compression.
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If we are all so full of shit please quote any source to support this bullshit you are spewing. Surely someone must agree with you.......
Sure, ok. TOLD TO ME BY ONE OF THE SYNTRILLIUM ENGINEERS (Adobe Audition, Cool Edit Pro) -- Good enough?:
"A clean guitar would have lower peaks and need less, not more, just as a louder more distorted guitar would have higher peaks, hence needing more compression."
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You really need to shut it and listen. Whether you believe it or not you have no idea what you are talking about although I have no doubt you believe you do.
So, you too are doubting the Syntrillium/Adobe engineers then?
The real problem here is that you don't understand the context of anything. They (the Adobe people whose children you desire to father) are referring to using compression to keep the input from clipping, which would create bad distortion. I'm talking about distortion from an overdriven amp, or good distortion.
Now you're learning to engineer off a troubleshooting FAQ. That's awesome.
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And the SYNTRILLIUM ENGINEERS that are so friggin cool to you, are 1) software engineers, and 2) authors of the programs you mentioned, which coincidentally come with some of the shittiest dynamics plugins I've ever had the displeasure of using. Honestly they could sound great, but I couldn't get past the worlds worst interface.
Actually, i'd say Syntrillium/Adobe software was and still is the world's most USER FREINDLY software with a very simple interface. If you want to call that "worse" then I guess your just an unfriendly individual who thrives on irrelevant complication.
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Fine. You're wrong. You are talking apples and oranges.
They were likely refering to distortion generated by overloading the input to your sound card. Compression would tame the signal thus not distorting the input of the card. If the signal coming into the card was clean (ie not overloading the soundcard inputs) there would be no need for compression.
No, YOU are talking apples and oranges. Seems you are starting to whistle another tune now. See, I knew I was correct. Idiots.
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By golly, The Architect nailed it, didn't he.
The real problem here is that you don't understand the context of anything. They (the Adobe people whose children you desire to father) are referring to using compression to keep the input from clipping, which would create bad distortion. I'm talking about distortion from an overdriven amp, or good distortion.
Now you're learning to engineer off a troubleshooting FAQ. That's awesome.
Seems your whistling another tune also, fool. Your petty insults are of no consequence. They only show your inability to reason with others properly. You need to learn how to cooperate, loser.
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No, you're still the idiot here. Without question.
You might want a bigger shovel for that hole you're digging.
Nobody is changing their story, you're just confused as to what you're talking about. Maybe you should go back to finger paints and the Kermit the Frog Xylophone.
You still wouldn't need compression on a distorted guitar if your little brain could learn to set a level correctly.
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Syntrillium is saying that compression can be used to keep an input from clipping.
Your inferior thought process is not translating that correctly. I bet it comes out as something like "COMPRESSION GOOD, DYNAMICS BAD" before you get distracted by something shiny.
You're a disgrace to humanity, and should be shot before you reproduce.
I think it is in your best interest to find another hobby/career, like moving objects from one spot to another. Something with a shallow learning curve and minimal mental processing. I'd suggest bagging at a grocery store, but the whole "Don't put the squishy things under the heavy things" might be a bit much.
Anyways, thanks for giving me some laughs this afternoon, it's been hilarious.
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Now I understand why you are having problems. You are are wrong on virtually every point you have made.
No, i'm afraid YOU are wrong on my points your're *trying* to correct.
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1)Compression used properly doesn't clip anything and is very commonly used on clean guitar parts.
2)A distorted amp does in fact have a compression aspect to it.
3)A lot of of people use the phrase "to tape" when referring to recording. They just don't record in your bedroom
4)Razors and alcohol are used for splicing analog tape together.
"1)" Correction: Compression doesn't clip anything? WRONG. It can either clip peaks of levels that are too high, soften them or create a "wall".... and if used improperly it can completely destroy dynamics.
"2)" Correction: Saying any old guitar amp on a whim has compression built in is ridiculous. Total lunacy, unless maybe if the amp was cranked to "11", then it *might* be possible.
"3)" Correction: I ain't "alot of people".
"4)" Correction: No shit, but we aren't talking about tape are we.
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