Old masonry to recording room

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:10 pm

Groff wrote:

Today – painting. First layer. Tomorrow, the second.

That wood, after staining, looks pretty boss.

Waiting for the next episode/installment.

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:19 am

In the meantime while the second layer is drying ... Wink

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:25 am

MadTiger3000 wrote:

Waiting for the next episode/installment.

Oh, I would like to do that right now, unfortunaly walls need preparation. Old stucco is uneven and full of gaps.

First I have to remove old layers of wall paint then fill the gaps and make it flat. For that leveling I’m gonna use the flexible adhesive for tiles: BenferFlex

http://www.benfer.it/en/adesivi/adesivi2.php

After drying it's hard as concrete and does not crack easily.

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:06 pm

This could be a e-book later 'how to create studio from scratch'. Please continue posting those pictures and thoughts. Somebody make this sticky also! Cool

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:43 pm

chaoticz wrote:

This could be a e-book later 'how to create studio from scratch'. Please continue posting those pictures and thoughts. Somebody make this sticky also! Cool

Chaoticz, welcome to RO!

Well, in comparison to what other guys are doing here and at other studio/acoustic forums my project looks like a joke (just to mention serious project by MadMax). I would like to have bigger budget and bigger place to build room in a room with separate floating floors etc. Right now I could only give my best to make this room acceptable for recording. We will see ...

Thanks for jumpin’ in

I'll be right back ....with some new pics Cool

... and questions too. Embarassed

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:08 pm

Today - final assembling. All junctions are caulked with silicone.

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:27 pm

I found this one interesting

http://forum.studiotips.com/viewtopic.php?t=2274&highlight=cloud

huh ….

Dan had similar problem although with wider windows. His first idea about those windows in general was almost exactly like mine (wood frame filled with drywall). Unfortunately, without the expected results. Rod pointed the wood as weakest link (density). First noticeable improvement (6th pg.) was achieved with 2 more layers (soundboard + drywall) on the inner face of the frame. I suppose Dan’s conclusion is wrong (2 different type of damping materials -> less transmission). I think that added extra mass (2 more layers) covering the wood surface helped a lott.

Dan is building inner room. I can’t. My barriers would be the first and the last line of defense from bad, bad outside world. Time for plan revision. Rolling Eyes

See you tomorrow …

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:30 am

Here's the revision.

A)
was my plan before I found Dan's thread. Inner wood frame is supporting the particle board with 6 layers of drywall inside the lumber frame.

B)
Revised. Only 3 layers of drywall + one layer of particle board inside the lumber frame with addition of next 3+1 on face of the frame. I suppose it would minimize the transmission through the wood some what.

Any suggestion?

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:42 pm

The stroy goes on ...

All layers of old paint are removed. It's even hard to count it all. I put a layer of wall impregnation (some sort of primer) for „gluing“ the surface of stucco.

Screw holes are drilled and recessed deeper in the frame ( Twisted Evil

I was warned before, although basically just for esthetic reason).

I removed the stucco to place anchors directly into the bricks for better grip and fastening.

Between the concrete and the wood: silicon - tar paper - silicon.

Finally, with ten 8x220 mm screws, the left frame is mounted on the wall.

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:41 am

The second frame was attached yesterday, but ...

... it hurts.

Approximately… 60-80 BPM.

Nice groove for the whole last night.

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:44 pm

Dear Groff:
I have built (more like butchered!) several recording spaces in my time, and it is very essential to get it right, but is also very mundane and, at times, boring. Everyone likes the newest shiny toy, not the sandbox they'll be playing in, eh? By the way I tried 'clicking the thumbnail', but I got nothing... Smile

Anyway, your reports on your progress are very interesting. In the States, a house like you are working in is not so easy to find these days. It seems that the popular thing to do is to TEAR DOWN old masonry and replace it with pre-fabricated crap. You are to be commended (and envied) for your efforts, sir! And, when you figure in the fact that you are in a country that is probably not the easiest one to find building materials, much less recording gear, well....my hat is off to you. As for your almost-impeccable use of the English language in these posts, I wish that more of the AMERICANS that post here were that literate!
Best of luck and keep on truckin'!

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:22 pm

My sincere thanks for your kind words, Mr. Moonbaby.

I just hope that the results of my working will be better than my English. Believe me. Smile

Tomorrow, if my thumb doesn't fall off, and with the help of my friend the double door frame should be on the wall.

He, he, I doubt about trucking, but now I could be the best hitchhacker (glowing red in the dark). Smile

Groff - the slap master Thumbs Up

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:49 pm

you are creating a monster. stop what you are doing and cover everything with padding and carpet. the drum riser is not a good idea. any wood or glass surface will resonate.

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:59 pm

SwankyFranky wrote:

you are creating a monster. stop what you are doing and cover everything with padding and carpet. the drum riser is not a good idea. any wood or glass surface will resonate.

Oh my God!!!! I thought that kind of "sound control" went out in the 70s!!!
Dude, your first post at this site and you tell him to make his room into a broadcast booth!! If this guy does what YOU told him to do the room will be DEAD...'Dead' is DEAD!!! You haven't even qualified the room by asking how it was going to be used. NOBODY covers "everything with padding and carpeting" anymore, and those that do have NO LIFE in their recordings! And as far as the glass and wood causing resonances, all those studios with control room windows, should they cover THOSE with "padding and carpet"? I suppose it's the same for the sliding glass door into my tracking room. Dude, there are wrong and right ways to do
"glass and wood", and while they can be challenging, you don't just chuck them because of those challenges. BTW, my 12'x20' drum riser (oak) is filled with SAND to CONTROL resonances.
Maybe YOU should read Mr. Gervais' book clearly shown in the pix. Groff is following a lot of the construction techniques that Rod espouses. Take a moment to see the details that are being sweat-out to ensure that what you direly predicted does not occur. When it comes to making and capturing MUSIC, some people have no ^%&%7 clue...

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:32 pm

SwankyFranky wrote:

any wood or glass surface will resonate.

Everything resonates.

If I had a big enough pitch fork, I could blow up the Earth.

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