State of Major Label recording

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:21 pm

Unless you are personally acquainted with someone to the point of knowing their habits, their schedules and their personal lives you cant say for certainty ANYTHING about them. What you read in magazines and fanzines isnt necessarily reality.

Since this isnt a fanzine site, I would ask you to assert ONLY your opinions AS opinions and not as factual representations.

Simply because you really dont know. Nor do I but I dont claim to.

So...aquacreep, what are you working on these days? What kind of mics do you own? What are you using as a front-end? What kind of music do you play? Do you make records? Can we hear one somewhere?

Ya see, stoopid....without you being forthright about simple stuff like this, nobody on this site is gonna want to play and discuss things in a decent sort of way. All you're gonna get is disrespect and as a moderator its my job to quell these occuances. Until you learn what this community is all about then you will continue to be reviled and shunned. The only folks who'll talk to you are those, who, like me, have heard all this kind of blahblahblah childish bullshit outta lameo halfassed knowitalls before.

So, Mr. Aqualung....whaddaya been working on? Have ya got a studio? Where do you do all yer work? Whats your primary instrument? Do you have any recordings to share with us? Did you think the Colts were going to be that dominate?

Put up or GET OUT.

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:29 pm

I think we are way off topic here.....

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:47 pm

I am in school for the music industry... every thing from production and engendering to business and contracts. and pretty much any thing relevant in between.

As far as getting a job in a studio is concerned, you may as well not go to school. even with a degree you still need to apprentice in a studio. and let me tell you buddy, it's no walk in the park. you have to pay your dues, and pay them well while getting paid next to nothing. It can take years before you get a job as an assistant engineer.
Like it has been said many times over, studios are dying. The studios that are still around make the bulk of their money from advertisements.
and that source of revenue is far from stable for most studios.

It is not impossible to get an apprenticeship... but its going to take an out of the box approach if you don't know people in the bizz.

If you want to build your own studio, going to school will be invaluable. although you CAN learn allot from books, a good program is going to help you out a great deal. and give you an opportunity to learn on professional equipment. This helps out allot when it comes to making budget equipment sound allot better. since you have a solid understanding between good quality and poor quality.

But there is far more to the music industry then just recording bands. Audio post is a BOOMING market. there are so many forms of media out there today, and they all need content, and all that content needs sound. thats where post production comes in. I sure as hell can't summarize the role of post production into one post, but its defenitly a feesable, and profitable area of the music industry to get your self into. its what i plan on doing out side of school.

Don't let the bizzar state of the recording industry discourage you from doing what you love. thats all i really have to say.

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:37 pm

aqualand666 wrote:

but i feel like its a relatively valid assumption.

LMAO

If that ain't an absolute, I don't know what is.

Ok, I got sucked into that and now I'm sucking myself out of it.

Thomas W. Bethel wrote:

...Then DIGITAL revolution came along and people could, with their computers, make exact copies of their CD collection and as long as they had the CD on their computer they decided to let other people have copies so the P2P networking was established. Record companies lost millions of dollars in revenues because they were not selling as many CDs. People were illegally copying them and sharing them without paying the record companies or the artist. So record companies pulled back and started to reduce budgets for recordings and at the same time suggested that the bands they were signing get its own equipment and start doing their own recording thereby saving the record company LOTS more money. At the same time record companies started not signing new acts due to the lack of money for development and bands and artists started doing self promotion and became indie artists since it was the only way their music could be heard...

This is it! This is the paragraph that I've been looking for. I've tried explaining this to all sort of people without much success. This single paragraph, explains it better than I ever could. The whole post in fact is spot on. It should be posted on message boards all over the internet so that people can see, can understand, can learn. Alas, this is Earth and we are humans. Seeing, understanding and learning is a rare occurance.

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:35 am

davedog i figured a logical being like yourself would be able to understand the concept of opinionated statements. thank you though for reiterating those points.

like i said i am in the prospecting of getting a studio general contracted, 600 sq ft. as to right now i don't have much of a place to record. my mic collection at the moment is slim, consisting of an akg c 414, rode nt5's, 3 sm 57's, sm 58, audix d6, shure ksm 27. right now i don't have much of a front end either, just a trident s20 and a 610 preamp. i play rock and roll music any old way you choose it. yes when my studio is designed and constructed acoustically you can hear my work. primary instrument is guitar. don't give a shit about the colts.

when the studio is built thats when i'm gonna stock it with equipment, from the all mighty consumer friendly GUITAR MART. why you ask? because they will take off all taxes and 20% off many items.

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:59 am

Thank you. I pride myself on logical thought even though I am , by nature, an artist , capable of emotional eptitude.

Now that wasnt so hard, was it? Now everyone can kind of try and get to know you, heaven knows what for.....I jest.............

Now opinions are fine. Very opinionated is the grist most of us on here tend toward. However.....being an ass about it and deriding your fellow posters with insults and incriminations will not be tolerated.

Feel free to have your say.......be prepared for others to object and occasionally set the record straight when obviously erroneous information is being bantered.........Dont be surprised or insulted if you act like a pompous ass and you get called for it.

Its kind of a little self-policing that goes on here.

You've already stepped on a lot of toes here and for no good reason other than you're kind of a prickish person.

Dont take it hard if it takes a while for people to warm up. Theres much damage control to be done.

If you cant live with these things or think it to be other than a completely fair assessment , then GET OUT.

Other than that, welcome to R.O.

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:37 pm

davedog no one is perfect, be a good christian. if you would like to constructively "call me on acting like a pompous ass" there are many other ways to do so without an outright declaration, which requires immediate defensiveness from everyone involved. besides the topics have nothing to do with me or you, they have to do with the idea in discussion.

and if you feel the need to be very direct with your declarations, then you can't expect a rebuttle of the same caliber to be not tolerated.

that's the law of the jungle man.

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:31 pm

Hmmm..."Jungleboy" has all the answers, doesn't he? And when he gets shot down on one topic, he just slides over and craps on another one...

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:42 pm

Each jungle has it own set of rules. Its always a good idea, when you're traipsing through someones' jungle, to abide by those rules.

I have given you a glimpse of those in this jungle.

As far as being direct.....I'm not a person that sees a melon and shouts " Look Mommy, a Petunia..."

Direct is one thing and cruel is another. Cross that line and the jungle will shat upon you.

I'm done with the banter. You have your warning and your guidelines.

This subject is now closed.

I would like to see the subject matter back up and bringing in new thoughts on it.

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:21 pm

One thing that IMHO bears a lot of influence on, not only the quality of music but the willingness of people to pay for it, is (I know this is asking for it) the degradation of values and ethics in general.

1-The degradation of the ideal of what music and art are: People no longer put boundaries on what qualifies as art. Art now is defined by it's accessibility to the viewer. If a person cannot comprehend it, it is viewed as technical jargon. Boring. I'm not opposed to minimalism but any reference to 4.33 irritates me to no end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E

2-The degradation of values: (I can feel the flak already) Seriously though. Rebel ideals are so glorified that having any sort of value system causes people to grimace. Now I don't mean religion necessarily, I mean simply having a point of view as to what's write and wrong. The world has a wild west/mob rules mentality. "It's okay as long as you don't get caught." No concern over consequences. Then when they find themselves desiring to be content creaters, all of a sudden they want compensation.

Alright. Bring on the onslaught.

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:18 pm

i think for a long time there has been pushing of the boundaries to what art conceivably is. again, it's something that goes both ways. visually i think the perfect example is in the 40's and 50's you had emphasis on abstract paintings, where big rough and tough guys splashed some paint on a canvas and called it art. andy warhol's genius response is a campbell's soup can, in which he painted the colors of before he added the lines. not to mention he used the mass media advertising screen printing process to do this work of art.

as much as i might agree with you, i do put some value on being able to permeate and infiltrate the masses by utilization of pop sensibility. its always interesting that people like john lennon and kurt cobain, while relating to so many people were the most misunderstood guys you could ever imagine.

those who directly emulate the idea of rebellion (which should more generally be understood as a sense of freedom or liberation; having no rules to constrain you or your creativity) are most usually small minded in some sense. those who are true rebels though have little need to allude to it in 'stereotypical' fashion within (or outside) the context of their songwriting and they certainly don't have a uniform to wear or think by any set of guidelines.

no doubt there are problems though

it seems a challenge to me to coersce all the audience devoted to synthetic music back to the natural electric funeral that is rock and roll.

or any other natural expression for that matter

society's nerves are shot

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:59 pm

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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:11 am

that is quite an artistic statement, cutie. sweet pea. why don't you go bake me some cupcakes sweetie.

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:37 am

Awwww. pawwwww....

Thats pretty etheral there mr. aquaman............

But you could be right........Its okay to infiltrate the general public and still be a weirdo.

And yeah, those that tend to get their due from being overt are generally very FOCUSED ...not necessarily 'small-minded'.........

And then the psycho-babble kicked in and went out the back....

Nice art Mr Program.

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:30 pm

no surprise there, you misinterpreted my statement. those who i was referring to as smalled minded for instance would be punk rockers who feel to be punk rock they need to wear a uniform or look a certain way. there's was nothing wrong with the way the sex pistols looked but they were extremely original. how is doing this kind of thing focused? it sure as hell doesn't "focus" on the music...

or this another natural anal retensive response to the use of words like "transparency" and other catch phrases you feel that make you a better engineer?

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