Harcore Music "Bass Boom": how do i achieve this?

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:23 am

Cucco, you want to have your opinion prevail? that's fine too. But you were the most clever of the bunch for making a joke.

Let's not get lost with semantics here, OK? "Bass Drop" and "Bass Boom" may not have the same meaning to the poster.

He asked: "that real nice "bass boom" that most bands put right into the intro of their breakdowns".

The word that confuses me the most is "intro". How can you "Breakdown", I assume a bass drum or whatever else, if the song has just started?

In Club music, a "Breakdown", means you lose the bass drum, and maybe the bass line too.

Was Zanejr referring to the beginning of a breakdown? Maybe, but until he comes back, we don't know for sure, do we?

This is what I meant it needs defining and again, until this poster comes back to clarify, maybe redirect the question, all of you are just blabbermouths.

Later.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:03 pm

Yeah a bass drop is simply this: a sine wave that begins at around 80Hz-60Hz that falls from there to around 30Hz in one second or less.....

Here's one example: the Very beginning of Good Charlottes "The Anthem" it's a very audible bass drop that isn't requiring a subwoofer to hear.

Another one is located here (you're going to have to listen to the entire song though): http://myspace.com/ecsplodeshows the song is "At The Throne of Justice" it happens at 1:06 (although I'm sure it's on every song within that page lol).

I also have it on the band Earth Vs. The Spider which I recorded. http://myspace.com/earthvsthespider On the song "An Attempt to Save A Horse" (they occur towards the end but the song is short, it's ok, they were such a pain to record, bad tone on the guitars very hard to fix)

It's that low 808 sound that you hear in hiphop

It's also very prevalent on songs by the band Chimaira.http://myspace.com/Chimaira On the song "Resurrection" it is VERY LOW but it's on the 2 beat of bar 3 once the first riff begins after the introduction.

It is something used as emphasis for a certain part of a song, when used in a live concert situation it is something you will feel in the pit of your chest, just a tool to add something extra to the music.

I would also recommend if you make it from scratch that you should add a compressor to give the thing some impact because once mastered my "home-made" ones have just disapeared, but putting a compressor (actually I include it with the bass guitar bus) and it just explodes!=) (which is what we want)

It's also pretty misunderstood apparently but there shouldn't be any hard feelings, this is what the original question was referring to.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:18 pm

music_guy wrote:

Cucco, you want to have your opinion prevail? that's fine too. But you were the most clever of the bunch for making a joke.

Let's not get lost with semantics here, OK? "Bass Drop" and "Bass Boom" may not have the same meaning to the poster.

He asked: "that real nice "bass boom" that most bands put right into the intro of their breakdowns".

The word that confuses me the most is "intro". How can you "Breakdown", I assume a bass drum or whatever else, if the song has just started?

In Club music, a "Breakdown", means you lose the bass drum, and maybe the bass line too.

Was Zanejr referring to the beginning of a breakdown? Maybe, but until he comes back, we don't know for sure, do we?

This is what I meant it needs defining and again, until this poster comes back to clarify, maybe redirect the question, all of you are just blabbermouths.

Later.

A break down in "hardcore music" can be defined only as where the song slows down or goes into half time it is usually the bridge of a song or the very end. By "intro" he means the very first downbeat of the so called "breakdown"

This is the best example i could find and it's the reason I don't like this sub-genre very much "hardcore dancers"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNulhFfZeEk

Also this is "As I Lay Dying" the part immedietly after the guitarist flips his guitar is considered a "breakdown"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6NtyTkN2Z8 (i do like the drummer's foot speed though, thank god for pro-tools=))

This is supposed to be the ten "best" breakdowns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNnlfvtWRKw

And here is one last example of a bassdrop in a different genre
Crossbreed "Seasons" after the hihat count "1234" on the 1 of every measure is a huge BOOM, which is the bassdrop!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0juKuMNwKs

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:48 pm

Apologies for our being presumptuous, music_guy, but I don't think it was entirely unfounded. In response to your newest remarks:

1.) The poster [zanejr] specifically mentions a trend in hardcore music today, and I think even the casual listener can make inferences as to this sound he/she is trying to recreate. But, as you said, the operative word here is definitely infer.

2.) A "breakdown" in heavier types of music is typically understood as a usually-intrumental, sometimes-halftime, often-sparing part of the song that works much like a bridge. As multoc mentioned, this usually includes open-chord chugging from the guitars and, in faster genres, a sense of overall comparative space. And yes, as the trend determines, a "bass boom" is sometimes mixed into the beginnings of these sections today to make them more dramatic.

As in my case, I made two assumptions of the behalf of first-time posters here: that one genuinely saught help for a problem he/she addressed with [what I felt were] ample context clues, and that another was trying to drum up business.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:23 pm

music_guy wrote:

Cucco, you want to have your opinion prevail?

No...

I don't have an opinion on this matter. I was merely laughing at PLS's comments.

For me to have an opinion, I'd have to give a rat's ass about what the guy's talking about. I don't.

That's why I've stayed out of this topic and let others who do have (informed) opinions answer.

The answer to this guy's question has nothing to do with mastering.

Sorry. Cool

J.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:15 pm

Hi Patrick,

No I don't think you are presumptuous.

But here is the entire post from zanejr . Show me where he mentioned the word "hardcore".

"ive been messing around with different things in adobe audition with my bands raw tracks but i cant seem to figure out how to get that real nice "bass boom" that most bands put right into the intro of their breakdowns.

if any of you know what i speak of and are knowledgeable at performing this feature could you please tell me how? "

Is this a clear question someone making hardcore music needs answering?
Assumptions, assumptions. So, that guy doesn't know how to lay down a bass drum on the so called breakdown?

He talks about "that real nice". Maybe that nice effect he heard on a professionally mastered record that can be sometimes, hard to obtain at the mixing stage?

Is there a chance of this is what he meant?
Forgive me, I guess I am too old to be replying these posts.

As for you Cucco, you said "A "Bass Drop" is a pretty simple concept and Multoc and PLS are pretty much right on."

I think for someone who claims that doesn't even care, you show an interest to be the authority. If I a said the mastering is relevant is because we are talking about a low frequency effect (Regardless the style of music) that will need proper compression and equalization.

The mastering person is the best one to achieve just that, which in the end, is probably what the fellow zanejr wants to achieve anyway.

ED

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:24 pm

Select an area low pass it. then boost the low end on the EG add some extra reverb. It would best to do this on a part that allready contains a low end frecuency. such as the kick or floor tom. ? works for me.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:25 pm

The title of zanejr's post cites hardcore ["harcore"] music as the source.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:32 pm

I am so sorry! Patrick I missed that, ouch!
In that case I think Midwest is on the money, that low pass filter coupled with a reverb can be both a powerful and dramatic change in the music arrangement.

I would even go on to say use a multi-band compressor and and compress frequencies between 20 and 200 Hz, playing a bit with ratio, decay and the amount of gain.

Edward

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:09 pm

Once again it's not about making the bass BASSIER it's about making a single bass hit, you know what, god damn I'm going to post an example BY ITSELF to set the record straight, jeez you guys bug me! lol
HERE!
http://multoc.com/paul/Audio/Bassdrop.wav

It's a sine wave that starts at 80Hz then falls to 20Hz @ 1.5 seconds. Created in 2 seconds on Adobe Audition 2.0 Tone Generater!

QUESTION ANSWERED POST CLOSED!

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:41 pm

He, He

In that case Multoc this whole thread is out of topic. this is "Knowledge Forum Index » Mastering Sound"

I thought the webmaster intended this to be a place for discussion of music mastering.

Am I in the wrong discussion forum?

No wonder why I am haveing a BREAKDOWN with this discussion (ROFLOL)

BTW, i heard the bass drop, is a beauty and peaks at 86Hz with a long decay, Thanks for the example.

See ya

Edward

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:51 pm

music_guy wrote:

What's wrong with you? No one still knows what that guy really meant.

I'm just saying, I beleive most of the people who replied to zanejr replied because they DID know what he meant, and cut him off a slice of good advice within the first few posts. I have a feeling you've never heard As I Lay Crying, nor will you get my sarcasm.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:19 pm

music_guy wrote:

He, He

In that case Multoc this whole thread is out of topic. this is "Knowledge Forum Index » Mastering Sound"

I thought the webmaster intended this to be a place for discussion of music mastering.

Am I in the wrong discussion forum?

No wonder why I am haveing a BREAKDOWN with this discussion (ROFLOL)

BTW, i heard the bass drop, is a beauty and peaks at 86Hz with a long decay, Thanks for the example.

See ya

Edward

Well the kid obviously just put the question wherever he thought it should go but since it obviously has nothing to do with master(bat)ing, you gotta cut him some slack and just answer the question in accordance to what he meant rather than trying to make it work in the mastering world.

As far as 86Hz goes, I can't say all I know is that I entered 80Hz as the initial tone, and put 20Hz as the final tone, and yeah but regardless my "basshit/bassdrop/bassboom" is what the original question was in reference to.

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:48 pm

music_guy wrote:

As for you Cucco, you said "A "Bass Drop" is a pretty simple concept and Multoc and PLS are pretty much right on."

I think for someone who claims that doesn't even care, you show an interest to be the authority.

Huh???

How???

All I did was laugh at PatricklikeStatic's sarcasm...

I like sarcasm. Rolling Eyes

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:54 pm

music_guy wrote:

Whatever the recording/mixing technique or choice of sounds you opt in here, Zanejr won't get that desired bass effect on his music until it is mastered by a professional mastering engineer.

Any questions?

Edward Vinatea
Chief Mastering Engineer
MusicMasteringOnLine.com
New York City

I have a question...Fishing for mastering work? Fishy! Maybe trolling? ANDY

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