Single stripe, 2 stripe and full coat 35mm mag reels

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:33 am

Single stripe, 2 stripe and full coat mag reels What is is each used for? why are there three and which is best for general purpose recording? I'm going to take a stab at this and guess dual stripe is for stereo recording and full mag is the best GP recording type but why there are single stripe and full mag, I can't fathom. Is there any descriptions about these products anywhere? Thanks cool.gif Cool

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:04 pm

Single stripe= Mono only 1 mag track on the polyester.
2 Stripe = Stereo only 2 mag tracks on the polyester, could also be DIA on track 1, and M&E on track 2.
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"Full coat" is 3 tracks!!! BUT must be laid out as DIA MX FX stripes. When combined they create a mono mix, usually for foreign distribution, as they could replace the dialogue with the local language.

Let me be more clear "full coat" had no stripes, it was a wide strip of mag, that you could record 1 or more tracks on it depending on the configuration of the record head. Usually it was 3 tracks.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:50 pm

Unless you're doing film work there is no reason to use sprocketed mag film. Besides, wow & flutter is much worse than that of a typical analog multitrack recorders. But at least that way, you can have a separate machine for every track you want to record! You'll need a machine room with 24 machines! Not practical for music production.

Some film stock had stripes of oxide where other types were fully coated just like 2 inch 16/24 track analog stock. Typically companies like MagnaTech, Movieola and others made these film recorders/players. Companies like KEM & Steambeck and others made editing machines (flatbed) devices that could handle A/B roll film & 3 mag stripe films for dialogue, music and sound effects.

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Ms. Remy Ann David

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:47 pm

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Besides, wow & flutter is much worse than that of a typical analog multitrack recorders.

In the late 90s and early 2000s, I was remastering for DVD, I used a Swiss mag machine made by Sondor. When resolved to a Lynx, it had lower W&F than any analog multitrack I have ever used. Laughing

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:43 pm

Actually Remy I will editing old school on 35mm and have a Magna-Tech film recorder and a MTM Dual 16 & 35mm Recorder & Dubber Compact that I'll be using to create the tracks. I also plan to use the sound equipment I mentioned in the other post a while back to create Dolby tracks. I've been reading Norman Hollyn's The editing Room Handbook and it has been MOST enlightening. I actually got the the part about tracks after I posted this thread but the book did not put it as succinctly as TVPostSound did. I would LOVE to pick up one of the Sondors but for now I have to use what I've got. A I lucked out and have got a friend coming some time in the near future to calibrate and service the machines I do have so they will at least be in top working order and that's something. Thanks-Steve

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:55 pm

OH and I found out from the book what the sampler was used for in reguards to film

(Mystery sound equipment thread:
AKAI Professional S950 Midi sampler with manual

LYNX Time Code Module with LYNX FILM INTERFACE MODULE with both manuals

DOLBY A Type Model 350 ENCODE/Record

DOLBY A Type Model 350 Decode/PB

JL Cooper MIDI MUTE with MIDI Ch 2 Modem

Calzone Case )

It's used (or was used) to extend nondescript background sounds like room tone if for any reason you need a longer section of the sound than you have on hand among other things as well as for some sound FX.

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:23 pm

OH OH, and just to be clear, I do plant to premix the score on something like a 24 track set-up though at this point I don't have one yet. My composer does have a digital setup though and I may go that way with the music then transfer it to Dolby Analogue for the M * E track. I don't know if the machines I have will handle full coat or not, The Magna-Tech is an older 600 model, I'm just hoping it has the sync module in it. If not Hal an I might have to figure out a way to adapt the sync box I have for the Nagra to control both machines when I'm doing the transfer. IF that's even possible.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:58 pm

Full coat mag can be 3-track, 4-track or 6-track. Oddly, I've never seen a 1 or 2-track full coat 35mm mag - it is 3-track stock only using 1 or 2 tracks. On the 4-track I've usually seen the LCRS type of lay out. For the 6-track, it can range from a 5.1 Printmaster, to a 5.1 M&E, or even a stereo DME (Stereo DX on 1&2, Stereo MX on 3&4, and Stereo FX on 5&6).

Then of course there were the 3-track stock up and down reels. Where it would be reel A on track 1, and reel B would be on track 3 GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION (backwards). When reel A was at tails, Reel B would be at heads. It was a cost effective way of fitting 10 reels worth of mono material onto 5 actual reels. Fun stuff.

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