Which mic is closest to a U47 and affordable?

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:33 am

lesspaul wrote:

Studio projects is a company that make great mics.
They have one called C1, they say it performs just like the expensive u87,
Read the reviews and you'll see.

C1 is $299
Neumman U87 is $ Just to much to post

http://www.recordingfreak.com

First off,I'd like to appologize in advance for my comments here. Those of you who know me know that I always try to encourage all who post here to learn and gain knowledge from their questions and the answers that they get from these.

This, however, is simply too much. Posting this kind of misinformation ESPECIALLY in budget forum is akin to telling a direct lie. Its unfortunate that there would be folks that would actually believe this garbage, but it is true that this happens.

I also know that the good folks over at Studio Projects would never make such a claim. While their products are well-built and do a credible job, AND there may be some similarities in the frequency responses of the two mics mentioned, to baldly claim they are the same with OBVIOUSLY NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF EITHER MIC BY THIS POSTER IS CRAP.

Hey....I own an Ovtava MK 319. It sounds a LOT like my Neumann U87....there are, however, major differences which ,in critical listening, would reveal themselves to anyone with a decent set of ears.

I owned a C1 and it was nothing like the Neumann other than it was a large diaphram condenser in cardioid pattern, ONE of such that the U87 operates in.

So......what do we have here? An idiot? Perhaps a troll....most likely a troll. In fact a troll who is using the name of one of the true daddies of our business in vain.

If you (mr les paul) had posted this as YOUR opinion that would be one thing, but to call on some phantom review is much too much.

Having a link to your own site is enough to piss me off even more.

You're a fraud and your life expectancy here at R.O. is in danger.

Change your screen name, appologize and clerify your comments or you're gone.

You come in my forum and I'll delete every word you write.

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:56 pm

Hello everyone, My name is William

Well first I didn't mean to offend anyone with my posts.
One thing is true, I put together my website recordingfreak, because I love recording music and playing with different gear.
Les Paul is a living guitar leyend. He invented one the coolest guitars ever, well at least for me, The Gibson Les Paul.
I got one when I was in high school and a couple of friens just started to call me like that.
lesspaul2001 is my yahoo ID, It's been my email address since 2001.
I am not a drummer but I have a home recording studio.
I have a lot of gear like
Protools digi002R, Mackie Universal control with 3 extenders, line 6 podxt live and bass, m-audio keboards, Roland drums and Tama Drums....... the list go on and on.

So, I joined this forum because I was online and I thougth is was cool and interensting I DO NOT HAVE A C1 or U87, but I came across some reviews. I thougth is was allright to share. here is a link for example

http://www.digitalprosound.com/2001/03_mar/reviews/studio-projects2.htm

About my website?
Is just a hobbie what I am doing is collectin information about different DAWS in one place. I use to have plenty bookmarks in my browser.
Hopefully that information can be helpfull for some people.

Well...

I've been messing around with recording for the last 10 years.
I am surely not a super engineer or producer, but I like this hobbie just too much.

Sincerely

William Rivera
lesspaul2001@yahoo.com

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:26 pm

Quote:

He invented one the coolest guitars ever, well at least for me, The Gibson Les Paul.

Hmm, Les Paul didnt invent the Gibson Les Paul, Gibson designed it, and paid him for his name. Every guitar given to him by Gibson was heavily modified for his personal use.
Les Paul does hold patents for mulitrack recording, and amplified musical instruments. He has never designed the Les Paul Model!! Just consulted.
There is also an argument who invented the solid body guitar between Paul, Fender, and Rickenbacker!!!

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:54 pm

Ok...He didn't INVENTED but........
Gibson and Les Paul designed the guitar.
Hes was not only a guitar player. This article has some information.
Thanks for the reply.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2002/08/22/194907.php

(He also helped to design what would go on to be one of the most important instruments in rock and roll: the Gibson Les Paul electric guitar)

William Rivera
lesspaul2001@yahoo.com

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:56 pm

Gibson already had built the guitar, they approached Les Paul to put his name on it. Les contributed finishing touches.
This was in response to Leo Fender selling Telecasters (Solid body) As Gibson rejected Les Paul's idea of a solid body guitar years earlier.
Years later Gibson changed the Les Paul guitar to what you know as the SG, and told them to take a hike. He stated that the point on the treble side got in the way of his playing.
They cancelled his contract, even though SGs sold like hotcakes, the unlabelled Les Paul models didnt, they renewed his contract with the original style.

Rumour has it that he was in the middle of a divorce, and wanted out of his (Gibson)contract so he could get another after the divorce.

I'm not belittling Les Paul, he is mostly responsible for multitracking. I met the man over 25 years ago, I still look up to him.

You want history, dont read it on the web, I've been around long enough!!!

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:13 am

Book 'em, Dan-o!

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:56 pm

"So, I joined this forum because I was online and I thougth is was cool and interensting I DO NOT HAVE A C1 or U87, but I came across some reviews. I thougth is was allright to share"

THIS is why as moderators we need to always pay attention and do our jobs.

Here is a person with ABSOLUTELY NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with either one of the pieces of gear he's talking about. AND he's making a recommendation in the 'Budget Forum' where its most likely a young beginner will read this and take it as some kind of gospel.

That offends me.

Linking to reviews is an okay practice which anybody with a desire to find this information can go about on their own.

Having an OPINION about something you've never heard, never used in personal practice, have never probably touched is pathetic.

You want to talk about something you know about....go ahead, thats what these pages are for.

As for a comparison in price vs. sound quality.......

I completely understand and am a wholehearted practitioner of 'Bang-for-the-buck' recording. Every mic, outboard piece, console,stand,cable etc that I own was selected because of what its bang-for-the-buck factor brought me.

Is a Studio Projects C1 a good mic? Yes it is. Is it good on every source? No, it is not. Is a good value ? Yes, most definately. Does it have bang-for-the-buck cred? It depends on what you want to record with it. Is it better than a lot of mics in its price range? Not so much these days as mics in its price range have gotten a lot better in both terms of build quality and sound. You can thank Studio Projects for this phenomenom since they were one of the first to champion the quality and value at affordable numbers that many folks are enjoying these days. Do I use their products? Yes, I have and will continue to do so. I own an SP mic and love it.

And then...

Is the Neumann U87ai, U87i, U87 P48 a good good mic? If you have to ask, then you will need to wait till you can afford one to find out. Does it have bang-for-the-buck cred? They are not cheap. Neither is a Mercedes. There was an issue of a consumers magazine several years ago that reviewed several automobiles to determine the VALUE of each on a per-mile basis. The winner, hands down, was the Rolls_Royce Silver Shadow. It cost less per mile to own and drive one of those than ANY other auto in the world. The same can be said with any Neumann product.

There are many boutique companys building incredible sounding mics these days. The prices for some of these is very high, much like building and driving a custom auto. Many will compete with or in some cases surpass the U87 in performance. Those that do are, by and large, as expensive or more so. Makes me want one of each!

A tool becomes a good value by performing the task set to it without needing to alter the tool or the task to fit the tools' or the users ability to operate the tool.

I didnt mean to get preachy here......aw Hell yes I DID........dadogg

peace.

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:22 pm

I would just like to say, it is rather funny to call your self a recording freak, and then praise less paul for what else? his guitar he designed. why not go with one of the several major inventions he brought to recording.

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:00 am

Davedog:

I just don't understand what your problem is.....

Me reading and writing in this forum?

Me trying to share some information about this 2 Mics

Me putting a stupid link of a simple web site

You call me an Idiot and a couple of other things.

Was that really necesary?

If you don't like my posts simply send a privet message.

"Hey dude you know what I don't think is this or that is cool.....bla bla bla"

Honestly...

William Rivera
lesspaul2001@yahoo.com

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:21 am

I thought I explained it rather well....but since you arent paying any attention then its useless.

BTW. Its impossible to 'share information' about something you know nothing about...ie: those two mics.

Re-read my last post and see if it makes any sense to you.

Here's a hint: If you dont know anything about the gear you're taling about, then dont talk about it. Its dis-information and on the internet, dis-information is poison. Get it now?

ALSO! Its my job as well as the other Moderators on this site to see that such dis-information isnt spread around like so much cheap paint.

So I'm telling you, as a Moderator on this site, to shut up about things you know nothing about. Talk all you want about things you do know, ask all the questions you want to learn about, just dont start untruths and rumors here.

Or you'll be asked to leave. Are we clear?

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:42 am

Good for you Davedog, I'm with you 100%.

I have been on other recording forums and had it out with people there, even with the person who runs the forum, because of similar things. This is an art but there is a lot of science involved and too many people believe in pseudo sciences.

If you know something say; I know it as fact because I did it. But unless you have documented evidence or scientific evidence it's still opinion.

If you think you know something say it that way, I think it's this or that, but I could be wrong.

If someone told you, then say I have been told but I do not know from experience.

Simple rules to live by. I live by them and it would help if others did too. There is way too much mis-information on the Internet, we don't need more.

Be humble and truthful, honesty is best. Posturing to cover up your insecurities is childish.

Have an ego, it's cool to have a bit of an ego and be confident with yourself because you know what you can so. It may rub some people the wrong way but so what. If you have the goods then show it, prove it, I respect that and I would think others who do certain things on a very high level will respect it too.

Too many people have a false humbleness, they play humble but deep down inside they are just as egotistical as anybody else in the music business. They play humble as not to attract attention, that's the BS, awe shucks thing. There are truly few real and truly humble people out there, especially in the entertainment field.

If you think you're great, that's fine, prove it. But don't be shocked if not everybody else thinks so, everybody has likes and dislikes and their own opinion.

Bottom line, never, ever talk smack unless you can back it up with some thing, knowledge, performance, something.

To write a post about something you didn't even A/B'd yourself or don't have any experience with is moronic.

This place has the best and most experienced people on the Internet as far as I can tell. To try and fool them is moronic too.

There are some sites that are not moderated as well and those are filled with wannabees and egotistical below average mediocre techs who call themselves recording engineers. Those places are filled with pseudo science and mis-information, guys that if you listen to can damage your equipment. I had it out with one about running a kik through lower level PV mains with 12" speakers, that's a no no and he said sure you can do it. I said okay then you pay for the repairs on the guys speakers then.

Please keep this place clean of those types by putting them in their place. They have a place here but not on the high exalted throne they think they deserve.

Everybody wants to be an expert, everybody wants to be on Dr. House's team, sorry only a very few can ever reach that level. To pretend to be on that level is immature childish nonsense.

Rant over.

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