catchy pop-rock

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:32 am

Hi all

I have recorded a rockband, young people, with (I think) great songwriting skills
unfortunately without vocals until now

I would greatly appreciate it if you could comment on the recording / mix

Thank you

Cheers

http://www.goltstein.com/temp/Numlock1.mp3

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:38 pm

I really like the sound of the snare. Its..... TASTY. It actually makes me hungry.
The cymbals (Ride is good) of the drums sound like playmo and the guitars lack attitude tho, The bass guitar is very un-tight. But i don't think thats your fault.

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:17 am

I really like your mix. Nice sounding ambient basement on the snare drum. Nice and fat. You said it didn't have vocals until now. I hate to tell you this Goldstein, you still don't have any vocals. Corned beef maybe but no vocals. Of course it's all right if you have those New York pickles to go with your bass guitar. Obviously, you know the directions to Carnegie hall and the delicatessen with the same name across the street. Wonderful! Just like your recording.

The Pastrami is good also
Ms. Remy Ann David

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:16 am

Thanks for your comments

HansAm:
what do you mean by playmo?
any suggestions for the guitars? what do you miss?
would you compress the bass even more?
Thank you.

Remy:
Well, it was a basement Smile

They're in the process of finding a singer and want a decent demo for that.
As always: you make me laugh, even though I don't understand everything (as always)
Maybe that's because I'm Dutch.
O, my name is spelled differently
Thank you

Cheers

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:21 pm

OK

so I just tried to turn down the faders and zero the eq / comp

http://www.goltstein.com/temp/Numlock2.mp3

same track / recording
different mix, from scratch

feel free to critique
feel free to be honest
i can handle it Smile

Cheers

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:25 am

i like the mix. it sounds a bit unconventional but it still sounds good. only thing i'd say is add more warmth/fatness to the distortion guitar. and maybe have the kick up a bit with more high end on the kick to get that almost slap sound that you hear on the kick on pop/rock songs.

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:25 am

Hi loh90

Thanks for your comments

I guess I'll have to find a way to make the guitar a bit darker without overpowering the bass

Cheers

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:03 pm

Is it just me or are there some timing issues here??

I like the tones of everything. The distortion guitar part is buried way way too much.. I dont think getting it 'darker' is going to bring it out.

The drums are very 'garage/basement'...not a bad thing and bringing everything else into focus around this unusual sounding kit could put you on to something different.

If you are trying for 'slick/produced' you're on the wrong track......Go with what you do best. Theres no rules...except for the RULE 1.

RULE1: There are no rules.

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:55 pm

I thought the heavy guitars and the bass were sharing
alot of the same freqs. and were really run together.. Might want to try and eq more mids into the guitars around 1k
and get them away from the center of the mix.... but good over all

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:04 am

Thanks both of you
I really appreciate it

I guess the distortion guitar could use doubling side to side
thereby opening up some space for the bass

The recording was done in a basement, no overdubs, just the best take
6 tracks: 2 OH (mk012), BD (beta52A), SD (MD421N), Bass(DI), Guitar (421-II)

Cheers

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:43 am

What if on the clean guitar parts you patched in a delay unit?? I hear that guitar part screaming out delay. Maybe even rerecord the part again to perfect the timing issues, your almost there!! Either way a delay effect on it might make the guitar part integrate its groove better, w/ a good delay setting. I tend to overdue delay tho, I need stop, I am a delay junkie.
The chorus guitars are way too focused on the low end as was stated already. But I would also consider the amp setup too.
Also, are u using a marshall half stack? What type of setup u have?

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:03 am

Hi

I'm just a recording enthousiast (not a fulltime pro)
And the band was looking for a decent demo
They're young and fun
So I did one for free

The guitarist has some Line6 Amp and Cab 4x12
Don't know for sure

I'm considering re-recording it all
Need to think about that one

Cheers

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:58 am

well make sure you get the guitar player to change his settings.. record the heavy guitars twice and get the scoop out of it. all lows and highs wont set well at all

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:42 am

OK

Yet another try
Their main comment was: more kick

I've also adjusted the guitar

so here it is:

http://www.goltstein.com/temp/Numlock20071028v3A.mp3

Again:
feel free to comment

Cheers

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:55 am

Hey GentleG! This is getting much better but I now have another monkey wrench to throw in to your mix!

Yup, you have increased the bass drum. But notice, it's still kind of flabby and nondescript. Not punchy nor hard-driving. What to do? Simple. Have a Heineken and do this one single solitary thing, invert the phase of the bass drum. Don't do this to anything else! What will this get you? Oh baby! Well it won't get you a beautiful woman like myself however, you'll get a more solid, um much more solid, um...bass drum sound. This is where phasing aberrations aren't problems. You don't need nor want any stinkin' flabby bass drum. You need cancellation and I'm not talking bad sitcoms here. This is easily accomplished in software or with the simple push of a button on a console that has that funny looking little zero with the line through it. Sort of like a no smoking sign or a do not enter sign. But you will enter into a new realm of mixing rock-and-roll drums, in the zone, zone!

Phase flippy broad in the zone.
Ms. Remy Ann David

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