Sound Replacing Advice

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:33 am

Hey,
I plan on recording a CD soon and I'm considering sound replacing the snare and kick hits.

I wanted to record the rhythm tracks live and without a click; I don't know if I'll be able to make it work.

My set up would be

Kit:
Overhead Pair
Snare Kick
(Maybe rack and floor)

Bass
Rhythm Guitar

Basically, is there anything I should look out for before I give it a go?

Thanks

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:00 am

Well it depends on what program you recording with.
For doing this, I use logic. you demix to score (which does a some what decent job at turning it into midi info... the pitch may be off but the timing is not.)
then you can make your corrections and trigger samples.

A click is not an issue.

with your set up I would consider enhancing rather then replacing.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:33 am

Set the overheads the way to pick up more cymbals than the set. Maybe additional SDC on hihat also. If you work on PC, than Drumagog would be my choice. Keep up original cymbals and replace the rest.

http://www.drumagog.com/

If your style is "power" rock (mostly) I would suggest you to check those samples:

http://www.stevenslatedrums.com/

Set and forget - and it kicks!

... but in general I agree with Fraz.

Good luck

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:53 am

I usually have the drummer record samples of his own kit. Then record the toms and snare (I haven't done this with the kick yet) by placing the mics practically on the skin. This way you can get the transients well, and won't have to worry about your sound replacing software picking up anything else.

Use the samples you recorded earlier and replace, or use samples from a library. Or use both! Yay!

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:34 pm

Yeah I don't want to "replace" the snare and kick hits I want to add MIDI samples underneath them. Thanks, I'll do some test runs and I'll see what I can get. BTW I am using logic.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:15 pm

Drewslum,

I've used a free plug-in called KT Drum Trigger.

http://www.koen.smartelectronix.com/KTDrumTrigger/

It senses the transients and creates a midi trigger from that. just follow the directions included with the download for your particular recording software. It works great.

The BD and Snare on this track was done this way.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=777432

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:06 pm

Thanks AwedOne. Those tracks sounded good and I like the sound of the kik and snare!

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:48 pm

You can always to the "covert audio to midi" in Logic, then use samples from a library like mine Wink

in your EXS24 to layer underneath your original track.

I'm in Logic as well and used to do that all the time.

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:44 pm

THeBLueROom wrote:

You can always to the "covert audio to midi" in Logic, then use samples from a library like mine Wink

in your EXS24 to layer underneath your original track.

I'm in Logic as well and used to do that all the time.

Thats what I've been doing in the past, but I don't have a lot of experience. I just got a firestudio and I'm going to purchase some SDCs with my next pay check. I can't wait!!!!!!

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:31 am

the only problem you may run into using audio to midi or using software for triggers is accuracy.

If you have the time, duplicate the kick and snare tracks and edit each hit to its first transient.

Take the new sample you want to use and edit that to its first transient as well. Now, you can copy your new sample over all the edited kicks and snares with sample accuracy. In pro tools tab over to each soundbite and paste away. If using nuendo or cubase you can create a macro for it.

Time consuming, but I think it is worth it.

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:21 pm

+1 for Drumagog. even if you only use it to create the MIDI track. You don't have to use it's sounds.

That KTDumtrigger looks neat if you could create a MIDI track from it.

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