RECORDINGTransient_Designer  
Our Sponsors
Pro Audio Products

http://adkproaudio.com
The PRO SHOP
Categories
· Accessories
· Acoustic Treatment
· Compressors / Limiters / Gates
· Equalizers
· Micing Systems & Spitters
· Microphones
· Mixers/ Consols
· Modular Rack Systems
· Monitor
· Preamps
· Processors
· Recording Channels
· Summing Amps
Pro Shop
Random Audio Product

vmA
$8,747.00
Members Support
RO CLUB
You are not subscriber of RECORDING. You can subscribe from here now!
User Info, Site Stats
We received
76964172
page views since March 15, 2004
Recording Org
Navigation Map
recording.jpg HomeShow/Hide content
Access restricted to our members Feedback (contact us)
tree-L.gif Recommend Us
· Advertise Here
keyword ads
· Feeds
forums1.jpg DiscussionsShow/Hide content
tree-T.gif Forum RULES
tree-T.gif Forum Search
tree-T.gif Your Account
tree-L.gif Lost Password
pronews.gif Business SectionShow/Hide content
tree-T.gif NewsNew content !
tree-T.gif Topics
Access restricted to our members Submit News
Access restricted to our members Advertising InfoShow/Hide content
tree-T.gif keyword adsShow/Hide content
tree-L.gif Pro Audio
Linking System
Access restricted to our members Feedback (contact us)
Access restricted to our members News Search
· The Pro Shop
High End Gear
· Pro Shop!
icon_poll.gif ContentShow/Hide content
tree-T.gif Reviews & Features
tree-T.gif Stories Archive
Access restricted to our members Music_Business_LinksNew content !
icon_members.gif InfoShow/Hide content
fleche.gif Books
tree-T.gif FAQ
Access restricted to our members Feedback (contact us)
fleche.gif Glossary
tree-T.gif Recommend Us
tree-T.gif Statistics
Access restricted to our members News Search
tree-T.gif Surveys
tree-L.gif Your Account
PASS IT ON!
Please link back to RO
Latest Survey
Buying gear direct, would you support this?

YES, save me 10/20/40% and buy gear direct
No, add extra shipping costs, add dealer profit



Results
Polls

Votes: 43
Comments: 5
Mix News
·Tour Log: Rage Against the Machine
·L.A. Grapevine, October 2008
·S.F. Spotlight: 1340 Mission Street
·Tour Profile: Pearl Jam
·Load In: Sound Reinforcement News, October 2008

read more...©
  Forum FAQ    Search    Profile    Log in to check your private messages    Log in
  Your url ad could be here!

 
Post new topicReply to topic
View previous topic Log in to check your private messages View next topic
Author Message
somexone75
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Mar 25, 2008
Posts: 15


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

What would you guys say the best way to master over a vocal track to make them kind of have the same sound and depth as those guys with the over dramatic sounds.

Here's an example of what I'm hoping I can get it pretty close to.
View user's profileSend private message
Massive Mastering
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Jul 18, 2004
Posts: 1121
Location: Chicago area, IL, USA


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That has as much to do with mastering as the paint on a car has to do with its 1/4 mile time.

90% of it is the voice -- And of course, capturing it with the right gear in the right space with the right engineer.

_________________
John Scrip MASSIVE Mastering Chicago
And mucking up the Mastering forum at StudioForums.com
View user's profileSend private messageVisit poster's websiteAIM Address
somexone75
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Mar 25, 2008
Posts: 15


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

That was a lot of help; I've been around the bush a few times...

What I was asking was what is the method that would work best to take it the next few steps?

EQ-ing the track to death?...
View user's profileSend private message
hueseph
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Oct 31, 2005
Posts: 1467
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:57 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Just curious. What's the answer you want to hear? I think you got the right answer already but if you go ahead and post the answer you want to hear maybe someone will oblige you.

The mic in the clip looks like it might be a U47 which can run upwards of $6000 used. That would be a good place to start.

_________________
'We're all too concerned about the mistakes. Leave in the mistakes! It's only rock and roll man'-Eddy Kramer(paraphrased)
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mail
somexone75
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Mar 25, 2008
Posts: 15


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Like I said in my last post, what is the best route of mastering after for get the track recorded. Is it just EQ-ing it, or is there another way that I can manipulate it in addition to that?
View user's profileSend private message
hueseph
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Oct 31, 2005
Posts: 1467
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

As Mr. Scrip pointed out, this has little to do with mastering. You need to get it to sound good to begin with. That means choice of mic, mic placement, the preamp, the medium, but mostly the talent. If It's already on disc/tape then you have no choice but to resort to either hardware or plugins. Maybe eq. Likely some compression. I think it comes down to your voice talent though. You can't squeeze blood from a stone as they say.

_________________
'We're all too concerned about the mistakes. Leave in the mistakes! It's only rock and roll man'-Eddy Kramer(paraphrased)
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mail
mwacoustic
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Jan 16, 2007
Posts: 195
Location: Massachusetts


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

somexone75,

How about you post a brief clip of your existing track, and ask for suggestions as to how to improve it? This will get beyond the issues of talent, mic, placement, etc (assuming these are already history) and focus on what you can do now.

_________________
-Mark
View user's profileSend private message
Massive Mastering
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Jul 18, 2004
Posts: 1121
Location: Chicago area, IL, USA


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't want to post the "beating a dead horse" animation just yet, but I'd really like to know what he's looking for too.

If I had Don LaFontaine (or Al Chalk, Nick Tate, John Leader, or in the case of this video, Hal Douglas, etc.) in here, threw a SM7b in front of him going into a Crane Song Flamingo, that's pretty much all that it's going to take. Sure, maybe add a little compression (maybe) or a dB or two of high shelf (again, maybe).

If I did the same with *my* "announcer voice" it wouldn't be anything close to that -- I wasn't blessed with Mr. LaFontaine's voice.

The "next steps" are whatever the mix is asking for --
Quote:
I've been around the bush a few times...

Then why are we talking about this in the mastering forum? I still have no idea what any of this has to do with mastering... It barely has anything to do with mixing for that matter.

But in any case, you get it at the source - If you don't have the source, you barking up the wrong tree.

The video is an example of a bad-sounding recording of a guy with a great voice. Again, it's all the source - and then messing it up as little as possible. Not taking the wrong source and trying to make it sound like something it does not.

_________________
John Scrip MASSIVE Mastering Chicago
And mucking up the Mastering forum at StudioForums.com


Last edited by Massive Mastering on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
View user's profileSend private messageVisit poster's websiteAIM Address
bent
Moderator



Joined: Oct 26, 2007
Posts: 1729
Location: Cocoa Beach, Fl


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You've all given great answers.

The next post should include a dead horse!

_________________
-BeN(t)

*Proper gain structure makes the world go 'round! Twisted Evil

All your base drumsticks are belong to us! - BobRogers
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mailVisit poster's websiteICQ Number
Massive Mastering
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Jul 18, 2004
Posts: 1121
Location: Chicago area, IL, USA


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Here you go then.

Image

_________________
John Scrip MASSIVE Mastering Chicago
And mucking up the Mastering forum at StudioForums.com
View user's profileSend private messageVisit poster's websiteAIM Address
BrianaW
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Jan 10, 2008
Posts: 124
Location: New York


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Man, it's so weird to actually see the face of that guy. His voice sounds almost inhuman. Smile
View user's profileSend private message
bent
Moderator



Joined: Oct 26, 2007
Posts: 1729
Location: Cocoa Beach, Fl


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thankee-Sai!

Now my day is complete - Got a new job, got a cold beer (and more in the fridge), got a dead horse pic - what more could a fella ask for?

Thumbs Up

_________________
-BeN(t)

*Proper gain structure makes the world go 'round! Twisted Evil

All your base drumsticks are belong to us! - BobRogers
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mailVisit poster's websiteICQ Number
BobRogers
Recording Org
Pro Audio Group



Joined: Apr 04, 2006
Posts: 1190
Location: Blacksburg, VA


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, would it make the day even better if we said that the key to the "movie announcer voice" is a Newman mic?
Image
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mail
bent
Moderator



Joined: Oct 26, 2007
Posts: 1729
Location: Cocoa Beach, Fl


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:26 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hells Yes!

Laughing

[drink]

[/drink]

_________________
-BeN(t)

*Proper gain structure makes the world go 'round! Twisted Evil

All your base drumsticks are belong to us! - BobRogers
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mailVisit poster's websiteICQ Number
bent
Moderator



Joined: Oct 26, 2007
Posts: 1729
Location: Cocoa Beach, Fl


------------

Books To Read
Your Forum Posts

gimmie gear

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Quote:
Man, it's so weird to actually see the face of that guy. His voice sounds almost inhuman.


The face of the guy beating the horse, or Newman?

Maybe it's the beer, but I'm having a hard time seeing the horse beating dude's face...

And Newman is a little inhuman...

Laughing

_________________
-BeN(t)

*Proper gain structure makes the world go 'round! Twisted Evil

All your base drumsticks are belong to us! - BobRogers
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mailVisit poster's websiteICQ Number
Display posts from previous:      
Post new topicReply to topic
View previous topic Log in to check your private messages View next topic



This topic sponsored by:

  Sound Performance Lab
(Tube, Mastering, Analog Gear)

  
  
  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001 phpBB Group

PHP-Nuke Port by Tom Nitzschner [Total Redesign By: Lorkan Themes] & 2004 www.toms-home.com
Pro Shop Cart
Your cart is empty.

[ Browse ]
Business Section
(News, Articles
Classifieds etc.)
· Bluezone
· BTE Audio releases AEQ4 American Console Equalizer Algorithm
· Sweetwater To Give Away $25,000 Mic Collection
· FAR XM range digitally controlled active monitors
· Syntheway Updates Strings VST instrument, A Collection Of Multisampled Strings:
· Audio Impressions will be demonstrating their highly anticipated DVZ®
· Eiosis updates the E²Transienter to version 1.05
· Win a 64-bit Mobile Studio from Rain Recording, Cakewalk and PreSonus

[ More in News Section ]
Current Topics!
Last 10 Forum Messages

My DIY Isolation Box design
Last post by MadMax in Studio Construction Forum on Oct 10, 2008 at 22:17:06

Poweramps and Speakers?
Last post by davidcrandall99 in Mixing Live Sound on Oct 10, 2008 at 21:51:19

What should I do with my low ceilings?
Last post by mwacoustic in Studio Construction Forum on Oct 10, 2008 at 21:24:42

Wiring up hardware: EQ, Compressor & 4 Preamps
Last post by micaofboca in Mastering Sound Forum on Oct 10, 2008 at 20:13:15

Dithering Question....
Last post by Space in Mastering Sound Forum on Oct 10, 2008 at 19:42:58

"Motorcycle Riding"
Last post by RemyRAD in Song & Mix Critique on Oct 10, 2008 at 19:34:37

Acoustic Guitar And Vocal Song - Positively Ignored
Last post by Codemonkey in Song & Mix Critique on Oct 10, 2008 at 18:55:29

Need help with church recording setup.
Last post by Codemonkey in Vocal Booth on Oct 10, 2008 at 18:51:53

deciding on microphones..help
Last post by Davedog in Budget Gear on Oct 10, 2008 at 18:38:59

Which Door Type would you use for booth?
Last post by Space in Studio Construction Forum on Oct 10, 2008 at 17:39:06


[ RECORDING ]
New Topics!

Wiring up hardware: EQ, Compressor & 4 Preamps
A work in Progress
"Motorcycle Riding"
Help w/Mastering Plugin Purchase
Firebox not recording stereo
MaxxBass Alternatives?
What kind of ceiling should I get?
Some questions
deciding on microphones..help
Im buying an interface and have some questions.
anyone tried out the AKG c214's yet?
Poweramps and Speakers?
Alternative rock mix questions
high end pc
October is National Protect Your Hearing Month
Need help recording vocals in stereo! :)
Do I need an audio interface if I have a/d d/a converters?
Recording A Yamaha CP70. Help?
Which Door Type would you use for booth?
What's the best way to demo your audio skills on CD?

RECORDING Forums

BookMark

 _MAKEBOOKMARK

Recording Org RSS Feeds Community News. or Pro Audio Forums

Read this if you are a new poster Rules, who needs em?

For more information on advertising, investing , merging or any other ideas you may have for this community" Feedback

Pro Audio forums, audio reviews and all the moderating here is volunteer. Please remember no-one is being paid to be here or deliver hot coffee. Play Fair, be polite, patient and considerate to others. Title your topics properly and do not slander anyone, ever online. Also, if you love Recording Org and would like to make any donation in support of this site, please contact the Feedback link on the side bar. RO admin would be more than happy to add any contribution gift to the RO kitty. Give by becomi