ambient-trippy-cinematic...

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2002 6:20 pm

...with a couple of up-tempo tunes.

www.glowlab.com/krou.html

thanks for listening, hope you enjoy.

pk

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2002 6:27 pm

Krou..I will get them tomorrow...

Tired and sleepy now..

see ya on the B side

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2002 6:28 am

Hi

I like your stuff

Some Suggestions:

Echolocation:
Little less bass, try to use more stereo, f.e. on the drums

Gelatin:
Less bass, more stereo, more mids

Orly:
Less bass

It seems as if you are monitoring on speakers with not enough bass, so your (over-)compensating for it in the mix

You might like my stuff
My thread in this forum is
http://www.recording.org/cgi-local/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=25;t=000083

cheers

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2002 10:52 pm

thanks for your comments,
listened to your tracks, very open
and airy mix, I like Cynicism quite a bit,
very Plaid, but not in a bad way, of course.

I'll listen to some more within a few days, it's late.

pk

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 6:51 am

Echolocation. Large and nice. Dynamic. Others can learn a lession from you. Sounds fine! Plent of bottom...maybe a shade more detail on the top but possably the mp3 is messing with the extreme highs some.

Glowlab. Nice layering. Good sense of 3 dimential sound. My speakers and my ears like it!

Telegraphic Mem. I am bobbing my head. Great mix..right in the pocket. Nice pans.

Geletin. Ditto.

Orly. Drums are so nice on my system..more stick on dome..make it hit about 2dB less than the snare. Reminds me of some work I did with Joe Zawunul and Wilson Turbinton.

Keep it real!

Overall, I like them all.

Mastering would only serve the music not sonics, just a shade of this and that to phatten up and make them more involving.

The sub lows are perfect on my system. Thats where I run them anyway. Gentle G mentioned less bass but on this mastering system, I would say More extreme highs above 14K to offset that bottom. The bottom is in the pocket. Sound precisely like the balance I got on the Bob James material, the Yello Material and I am seeing here, less bottom than a whole bunch of hip hop that comes through. I was watching my metering system. Krous' bass is a full 4 dB down from the snare. This is about right. Perhaps gentle G may consider pulling his speakers out from the wall some..but actually I would like to talk with him about this further. Bass translation is a problem these days. Listen to DSOM pink floyd, you will hear the bass at the top of us and them to be on point as well. What is correct? Well since the advent of super woofers, sub woofers, car stereo woofers, bass boost circuits, inaccuate two buss outputs (Mackie, thick on frequencies below 50hZ) and speaker design that emphisises bass to catch your ear, believe it or not, Krou's bass is where it should be compared to 80% of the large scale projects I get. It fits his genre. IF you have high speed internet service (1500KBS) and can get Swiss radio, Lounge..

Address is here:

http://66.181.160.253:8888

They all have that bottom.

Look toward calibration Gentle G. If you go over the top (non clipped) it can be leveled in mastering. Punch is a 5 letter word these days that does not get the attention it should. The She is a Man was watered down to death. Ck the stremeing out. I have 6 systems to compare bass balance on..even the 39 dollar Tuner/Cass/CD boom box, Krous music with bass boost on sounds tight all the way up and at all volumes.

Their is another octave and 1/2 of life below 50HZ. Even though a bass guitar (4 string) goes to 42.3 properly tuned "e", I have projects that entertain the full octave below low "C" which is 32.7 hZ , hence 16.35hZ.

IT does have to be within reason.

I will admit some of the "bass boom blah" recordings out there are rediculous.

Look into this.

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 9:46 am

Hi Krou / Bill

I guess I should have been more clear.
I'm no pro, certainly not in mastering.

I just felt I would enjoy Krou's stuff more if there we're less bass in it:
More on the producing / mixing level then on Bill's level as a masterer.

I'll continue the bass debate at my thread

cheers

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 7:41 pm

Hi Bill,

thanks for taking the time to listen to my tracks. Sorry for the big bass debate it has caused! Wink

I usually shelf the lows at 40-45hz with a 6-10db cut. I've only recently started doing this, as the older songs like Orly and Gelatin were seemingly rushed and not-so-focused mixes done on a cheap pair of PC speakers, pre-Mackie824 era!

I'm pleasantly surprised by Bill's comments on the bass output, never had put much thought into it before, but it's good to know. I do believe some re-mixing on all these tracks is in order and I'll be attending to that in the near future.

Thanks again!

krou

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2002 3:18 pm

Debate is good! We can reach common goals that way and I welcome that!

Proceed with all debates. No problem!!

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:06 pm

I wouldn't dream of advising anything about the sonics in present company, but the base seemed just a bit heavy here as well. I get a slight distortion, maybe it's just the mp3.

However I would like to say I really like the music. Nice style blend, trippy, jazzy, kinda defies classification. And I would like to know what instruments you used. Especially the OOH-WOW-WOO-WOO-WOO sound in gelatin.

Rock on! Sounds great! :tu:

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2002 10:53 pm

thank you LBN,

that sound in Gelatin is from a Roland Juno 60 I was keeping here for a friend. I only had it for a few weeks and it's the only think that I coaxed out of it, that 'wow-wow' sound and the bass line, which I built the song around.
Drums are from various sources, mostly from CDs I get with Future Music and Computer Music magazines.

As for the rest, well, different instruments and different software for a few of them, which give them that disjointed sound as a whole.

Orly piano: Kurzweil K2000
Orly drums: Acid loop, acoustic (it was my first time using Acid, hence the no-variation beat and the wicked hangover)

Telegraphic Memory: completely written in Reason

Echolocation: K2000 synth riff, drum hits and loops spliced in ProTools LE (digi001), texture loops.

Glowlab: Fender Strat w/slide->then reversed on intro, K2000 synth riff, written back to back with Echolocation, similar loops, those 2 gel together well.

Again, thank you for the kind words.

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