Just for fun: Your dream drum kit

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:23 pm

Well, thanks - Rod! You have a purdy kit yourself...

The way I see the lug issue is - the only stress on the shell is a "compression" from the bearing edge to the lug casing mount. This is where the lug is pulling down on the head, causing the compression here. Below the lug, the shell tension is essentially null (aside from the fact it is supporting its own weight). I just don't see the long lug reducing stress, I just see it as adding mass. I'm no engineer!

I believe that the trueness of the shell, along with the bearing edge will be far more important than this small lug issue. Like I said, my ArtstarII's have the "through" lugs, and I like them. It would likely make a bigger difference on a very thin shell (My artstars are HEAVY!).

Anyone used the Peavey drums? When I worked at a music shop (6 years ago) I got to go down to Peavey's plant and educational facilities in Mississippi on two different occasions for 1 week each. Their drums do have some ingenious patents. The bearing edge is NOT BENT! It is peiced and mitred from solid stock into an octagon "donut". Then, it is routed to form the bearing edge and lug mount. The crazy thin shell is attatched to this bearing edge - the shell has NO HARDWARE attatched to it! I was impressed, but not enough to sell my Tamas and buy one! Is anyone recording with the Peaveys?

Later Cool

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 10:50 am

Randy,

If I mount something on the side of a shell - and then introduce a force to create tension on it - even pulling straight up as with the tension rod connected to the hoop - I also put into play a force at the center of the connection point.

This point wants to act as a hinge due to the forces involved - it creates tension at the furthest point of the connector - and places the end closest to the hoop under compression.

Hoever it cannot hinge due to the method of connection - thus it attempts to rotate the entire connection - which it also cannot do - because of the strength of the shell itself - so - it simply creates a tension in the shell which would not exist if it were a lug pulling equally on both hoops.

The math and engineering is pretty simple - and i am not suggesting that anything is "wrong" with the multi individual lug system - only that i do not want those forces at work on my drums.

Thanks........... :p:

Rod

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:13 pm

thanks Rod!
I will send ya a picture of Jaison´s kit. It is the stuff we have been recording here for the last 3 years.
Odery drums, zyldjan kz hihat 13", paperthin dark crash 15", medium crash avedis 16", mini china b8 solo Pro (Brazilian), Bauer Double drum pedal (Brazilian), etc

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:16 pm

ping ride 18" zildjan, splash avedis zildjan 8", B8 6" Solo Pro (Brazilian), mini-china 11" solo Pro (Brazilian), heavy ride 20" solo pro (Brazilian) ...
I am not a drummer sir..
lol

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:34 pm

Alécio,

i can't wait to see a picture of this kit - sounds great ........

LOTS OF BRASS.......... and this makes it all work for me - brass is beautiful - and more is better - and a drummer who knows when to use what makes it even better still........ Wink

Happy Hunting my friend,

I'm still looking forward to a cold beer with you one of these days......

Rod

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:08 pm

Rod! Your kit looks inviting, all ready to rock. Very nice!

:tu:

--Rick

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:15 pm

Rick,

if ya ever make it into New England....... make sure to bring your axe....... I have everything else we need........ and man we can have one great jam........... :c:

Rod

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 3:04 pm

Hey Rod,

Do you have some examples of your work somewhere online? I would love to hear you play on that kit. Very Happy

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:12 pm

Dave,

I'll get something put together so you can hear them............ they sound great - although i am maybe a B-drummer at best.......

Will let you know when

Rod

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:12 am

Wow, this thread really took off. Smile

One thing I've been doing lately is researching the making of acrylic drums. I know John Bonham used to play acrylics, and I'm wondering who else has. I've been thinking it would be a fun project to try to build my own acrylic kit. Wink

Either that, or I'm just plain crazy. :s:

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:07 am

Quote:

they sound great - although i am maybe a B-drummer at best.......

I'm sure you'r a much better drummer than i am haha. I'm just starting out. I love the amount of cymbals you have. Looks like a jazzy setup. I love it Smile

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:54 am

Hey, check out what a friend of mine found:

http://portplastics.com/plastics/Tubing/ClearCastAcrylicTubiSPA.html

Cast acrylic tubing in sizes up to 27", and wall thicknesses up to 1/2". That acrylic drum set DIY may not be too far off after all...

I have a request in to ask about pricing, and possibly if they have remnants they'd like to get rid of, but no response so far. Since they have a distributor in Denver (about an hour north of me) I may just go ahead and give them a call.

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 3:28 pm

Hi everyone,

Here's my two bits. If you have a chance, try to audition some Ayotte drums. They're rare in the US but common in Canada cause there Canadian made using well cured Canadian sugar maple. I've never heard any snare like them. The craftmanship and design are flawless.

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:07 pm

Hey all!...... I couldn't help but chime in!I have a Noble & Cooley CD

Maples kit,I've had it for about 8 years now.Man!.these things

sing.I can't say enough about this kit.check em out at :

noblecooley.com

I get alot of compliments on the sound and look of these drums.

Well,I had to throw that in there since I saw no other mention of

a Noble & Cooley,but that is a long thread I could have missed it.

Take Care

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:44 pm

My dream kit is the one I have... I must admit I am VERY lucky.

I have a set of Ludwig Super Classics from 1964. 20" kick drum, 12" rack tom, and a 14" floor tom. For a snare I have a 1967 Ludwig Supraphonic, 14"x5".

Cymbals are all Sabian... 16" HHX Evolution Crash, 16" AA Thin Crash, 21" Hand Hammered Raw Bell Dry Ride (my baby), and a set of 14" AAX Fast hats.

Hardware is half old and half new, as I'm in the process of upgrading it to something half decent that works... old hardware just doesn't last 40 years without breaking! Smile

I still have an original Ludwig cymbal stand and hi hat stand, along with my Speed King bass drum pedal (that I'll never get rid of and always use), and the rest is Gibraltar stuff.

These were my Dad's and so I managed to get them for free since they were collecting dust in the basement. Pretty good deal, so I make sure I take good care of them and treat them with respect. Still probably the nicest set I've played, although I am partial to a Sonor kit I played... however, different sound altogether.

Pics to follow!

Tom

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