best vocal mic under $1000

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:40 pm

Hey AMG1 im sorry but what's in your pipe? The control 24 is a 12g piece of equip. Digi would be crazy to packadge a 12g equip and a 1g equip with the same pre's. and secondly he does not need a digital output from his pre because only the 1st 4 inputs on the digi have pre's (8 inputs total).

just my $20

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:29 pm

when you go in through the spdif your alreeady ending a digital signal, there fore the 002 is not converting the analoge to digital. so yes your converters in your 002 are then being by passed. the same would hold true with the adat light pipe.

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:58 am

yes...what was said was that you cant

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Otherwise you'll be taking away from whatever pre you run through the 002's pre

so he was talking about the pre's there...but yes. lightpipe is the way to bypass the ad converting in the 002

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:16 am

I've had great results with my TLM 103. I've also had a few vocalists that just can't work with the TLM. Those vocalists I find usually sound good on the 4050 or R-121. The TLM is great for Ac gtr, elec amp, percussion just about every thing. I usually run it thru a MP2NV with lots of color, gets real juicy and I think the brightness of the mic is kinda tamed down by it. I seldom add or cut top end eq----it's just about right. To me the 4050 is kinda "plain" compared to the TLM.
I do music much like you talk about and I have excellent results with the gear I mentioned above. I compete with some pretty heavily equiped studios around here and always get compliments. Honestly, its as much about what you do with the gear as it is the gear you have to use. My .02 cents would be to stay away from the Grace/RNP for this type of music, just too clean (plus it uses wall warts). Try someting like Daking, Great River, Amek, API, UA etc.

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:06 pm

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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:23 pm

honestly, don't worry about converters right now. We just a had a big argument over on the digi's forums about the importance of converters...finally somebody posted a recording that had been done on a 002 that was far superior to a recording done with u87>high end pre>cranesong HEDD converters (one of the people arguing for the paramount importance of converters mind you).

ROOM> SOURCE (talent) > GREAT MIC (and mic placement)> GREAT PRE > CONVERTERS. There are many other things in that signal chain besides the converters that IMHO are more important.

I bought RME converters back when I owned a 001 (those converters were actually audibly bad), but if I had to make that decision with my new 002r, I would spend that cash on outboard gear (mics, pres etc.).

The 002 is capable of pro quality recordings. I've heard them. NOt saying that converters aren't important 'cause they are...it's just you'll hear more improvement in other areas first.

My 2 cents.

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:14 pm

well, i did an entire day of tracking guitars. i used a 414 for room noise, and an sm57 on the grille. i recorded my lead dr. z amp, and my lead singers orange 2x12.
i went into the gold channel, then spdif into the 002 rack. i cannot emphasize the beautiful difference i noticed when bypassing the converters and using the TC's. the tone was amazing...pristine. a good/bad thing, but good for the songs we were doing.
another song i used the gold channel, but went into the line inputs of the 002...thus, using the converters in the 002. it has such a more cloudy/dark, amost warmer sound. good/bad, but again, good foe the song we were recording then.
i find it very interesting i can get such different sounds just by using different converters. totally new ground for me...

as for the mic, i really am leaning towards the rode ntk. neuman tl103 is out of my range i fear. the grace 101s, at the deal im being offered, sound like a great deal. they may be too clean, but a clean signal can be worked with better than a too colored one. i cannot afford an avalon and still get a decent mic. 2 grace's, and a good new mic, all for under the price of an avalon.

hey, has anyone used a shure beta 87 for studio vocals ever?

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