Im new

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:00 pm

187 wrote:

Hey im new here and currently buliding a home studio for professinal productions and recordings

For the record, this is the first sentence that you wrote 187. If you are going to make such statements as "home studio" and "professional productions" you should learn what the terms mean in the eyes of REAL professionals before using such terminology. I know people here can be kind of harsh, but these are the forums where PROFESSIONALS talk about gear. There is another forum on this site called "Home, Project Studios". I think if you want questions on prosumer and low end gear, you should take it up in that forum. This one is called "pro audio gear" because it is intended to talk about gear for professional recordings.

187 if you want to just record demo quality material which you are making apparent by your equipment list, why don't you get an all-in-one recorder, and spend your money on good samplers/drum machines, etc. Get a MXL microphone (or insert reasonable quality chinese large condenser here), a presonus or art "tube" pre, an RNC and be done with it. There is no need to spend a bunch of money on not quite pro equipment when you are going to be getting the same results with a nice little audio workstation.

You don't need cubase or protools to record a demo.

Just do it biggie's way and just record yourself free styling into a boom box, and you should have a record deal in no time. here comes the bling.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:08 pm

My god. I can't belive how rude you've been. He only asked a few questions. Get off your high horses!!

Remember when you started out?? Or maybe you were too busy with your hands down the front of your pants dreaming of GML mastering and Urei 1176's.

Shame on you!! Exclamation

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:25 pm

I do remember when I first started out and I was dreaming about the big mics and large consoles I saw in the magazines I was reading at the time, REP and others now long gone.

I did not intend to insult or offend 187 who unfortunately got caught in the crossfire between myself and kingfrog who I have been going back and fourth with for the past few days all over the site. Rather than point fingers or admonishing kingfrog for creating a situation where this happened as he has done to me, I will step up to the plate and simply say "I am sorry" to 187. None of those last posts were intended to be aimed at you.

However 187 asked about a professional set up to do urban R&B and hip hop production.

187 wrote:

I plan on working in professional studios as well as working/recording with other artists ... Im able to make my own desicions im just not so quick to drop a shyt load of hard earned $$$ on mediocre gear!

He also asked about some speakers he had in mind that I rather dislike, the Alesis Monitors. Rather than slam them, I offered an alternative, the HR824s. Notice he specified he was not interested in "drop a shyt load of hard earned $$$ on mediocre gear!".

I offered him the most standard pieces used to do that type of work. These are not even pieces that I like in the least, but rather what I thought 187 would be most satisfied with in the long run, over time. For that, I do not apologize.

Now if 187 had worded his post to ask for validation for the Alesis monitors and some inexpensive mic and pre, I would have not responded to the thread. But that's not what he asked. he asked for some alternatives to create a professional studio and I simply obliged him.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:38 pm

I do agree his post is in the wrong forum. Should be in the Budgt gear or home studio forum.

That said after reading his needs I gave him the benifit of the mistake and answer with my own take. If its different from another's opinion why is that so bad.?

Some people insist on being the last word and when that is challenged, they take it as an afront to their sensibilities. It s only an ALTERNATE view no more no less.

I can understand why he left and that is a travesty for a forum whos purpose Im assuming who's purpose is to is to encourage and help those who come for that reason.

I never dreamed of SSL consoles and U87s in 30 years.
But I did not approach recording from soley a technical standpoint in as much as an economial way to get my ideas on tape or CD.

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:26 pm

kingfrog wrote:

That said after reading his needs I gave him the benifit of the mistake and answer with my own take. If its different from another's opinion why is that so bad.? .... Some people insist on being the last word and when that is challenged, they take it as an afront to their sensibilities. It s only an ALTERNATE view no more no less.

Your first post in the thread was an antagonistic attack aimed directly at my post. You could have made the same points without personably attacking me. Why the antagonism?

kingfrog wrote:

You do NOT need to buy the Avalon or Mackies, or any other high end gear based soley on what "experts" on this board claim are industry standards. Home studio "standards" Im sure are much different. After all you are building a HOME studio in your bedroom .... You cannot blindly act on what those who spent $10,.0000 on three pieces of gear say. Of course they are going to feel its the way you HAVE to go or predict you will go there anyway . Otherwise they look like industry standard Lemmings. rather than knowlwgable "pros" with 20 years of experience. .... I can understand why he left and that is a travesty for a forum whos purpose Im assuming who's purpose is to is to encourage and help those who come for that reason.

You are free to voice your opinions regarding equipment and you can even say "I disagree with (insert name) ... but it's not acceptable to continue with these personal attacks against anyone, myself included. Keep your insults to yourself. I have warned you about this before and I will say it once more, next time I just delete it and any posts following it, regardless of who made them. I have to do this in order to keep thread continuity intact.

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:50 pm

Oh Kurt Kurt Kurt

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Your first post in the thread was an antagonistic attack aimed directly at my post. You could have made the same points without personably attacking me. Why the antagonism?

I never mentioned anyone specifically...but if the shoe fits. I was speaking gernerally and giving and alternate opinion. that may be more suited to his needs after reading "between the lines" in his post

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You are free to voice your opinions regarding equipment and you can even say "I disagree with (insert name) ... but it's not acceptable to continue with these personal attacks against anyone, myself included. Keep your insults to yourself

Does this apply to yourself as well..Im only following by example......

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Spoken like a true user and a taker.

adirect response to my alternative opinion

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frogs advice is some of the worst I have ever read on the RO pages

. another attack on my opinions

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Yeah .... that's it. because a lot of people are deaf (obviously frog is) that's a great reason to justify doing crappy work with crappy gear. Yeah that's it! That's the ticket.

And yes another direct insult......pot calling the kettle black..I do not think I have made a personal attack on this thread at you in any form.......

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:09 pm

http://www.recording.org/ftopict-26972.html

187 this is a link to a recording I did at home I linked to on this site .
I put it there because Kurt asked me too depite my better instincts. But I have nothing to hide and so there it is. Make your own judgement.

The gear list is there and you can decide for yourself if its of a quality you would find acceptable or not.

All the gear is low and low mid range...nothing high end in the signal chain. No room tratments.

All argument aside.......... Thats the best way to decide what is good enough. Use your ears and your wallet will follow..

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:28 pm

I understand my "budget" isnt in the "pros" budget but by no means do I belong in the budget forum...

Unfortunatly your song isnt working for what ever reason.

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:27 pm

Thanks Kurt for making yourself clear. I appreciate that.

Although I bought a pair of Alesis Monitor 1s over 10 years ago and still have them. I actually think they are nice monitors and still stereo mix on them occasionally. Most of my work now however calls for more precise speakers. Nevertheless, for hiphop I think they's do fine. The M-M-M-Mackies would also do well but for that money i'd go Dynaudio BM6A.

As for Audio Interface - I'm PT biased so i'd go for a Digi002.

Mic's Frogman's Rode choice is a good one in my book. Have used them before and I quite like 'em. They aint a Neumann but work well in a variety of applications.

Pre-amp. There aint any in your price range that are brilliant, but there are some decent performers. My Choice would be a TL Audio Ivory Series Quad Valve or a DBX Optical Transformer Model.

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