I need URGENT!!! advice

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:34 am

Could you imagine the cost of films shot on Super 70 if all actors were shot one at a time? Jesus Christ, we'd have to pay $89 a ticket to see Far and Away...

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:36 am

And I was pissed at paying $5 for it!

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:59 pm

your right, most well have multable camera angles, but low budget shoots are lucky if they have more than one.

What I would do if your having a prolem with aquiring the dialog with the two actors is get there lines wild 3-4 times each right after they do there scene.

This well hopefully keep em in character and save you from any ADR at a later date.

Hope this helps out Smile

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:05 am

Well we are only using one camera. All gear is being rented and its coming out of the directors pocket so we are pretty limited.

New question:

The recorder I am using does not have TC so we are using slate for sync. When shooting is done, what then. Do I sync it up before it goes to the video editor? does the video editor sync it up? Do I wait for the video to be edited and then add sound to it?

I am doing all the audio post production as well.

If I wait for the video to be edited then I lose the slate, however I still have the camera mics audio to sync up to I guess.

Any suggestions?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:23 am

Let Video editor sync. Good job on the slate. Pay no attention to others that don't know what shooting film style is.... one camera! 3 camera only for live stuff, or blowing something up.
Get your master and coverage.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:15 am

GENERAL QUESTION:
In the future, would you guys say its worth getting a recorder or would you say, "Just go strait into the camera, its less to lug around plus you dont have to wory about sync."
Please, I would like advantages and disadvantages.

Thanks Again.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:23 am

Straight to camera.... sound isn't as good, camera electronics have "hash" in them. No need to worry about sync. Better for ENG type shooting.
Stand alone recording device.... better audio. Need to at least clap slate.

Why not go straight to camera and back-up to recording device.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:47 pm

grizzzly540 wrote:

GENERAL QUESTION:
In the future, would you guys say its worth getting a recorder or would you say, "Just go strait into the camera, its less to lug around plus you dont have to wory about sync."
Please, I would like advantages and disadvantages.

Thanks Again.

Do not go into the camera. Have your own 32 Bit Float (From 24 Bit Analog) and record it to 192Khz on a Laptop. You will own this, and you want it to be the best so it can be your calling card. Don't compromise by using their camera and giving them the raw data. It is yours now. Let them know that. You may want to go into Animated film and the visual will have no importance as work on an audio DVD that people can listen to without visual distraction is best.

As for visual sync, any actor should use physical gestures to time it correctly.
In the 1968 film for The Doors' Hollywood Bowl concert, Ray Manzarek on keyboards wore bright white socks and tapped his foot so that during sync the beat of the music could be matched to his white socks in the darkness.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:43 am

Thanks for the reply, but I have heard that when doing film on location, it is best not to put your trust in software but only dedicated hardware. is this the general oppinion or should a laptop be my next purchase instead of a dedicated HD or CF recorder? I already have protools le with a digi 003 and an Imac.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:32 am

grizzzly540 wrote:

Thanks for the reply, but I have heard that when doing film on location, it is best not to put your trust in software but only dedicated hardware. is this the general oppinion or should a laptop be my next purchase instead of a dedicated HD or CF recorder? I already have protools le with a digi 003 and an Imac.

You are absolutely correct. On a large budget film, how do you think the director would feel if your computer crashed during the best take? Hardware is much more reliable. If you can, go and chat up some audio guys that work film sets. I have never met a single one that works from a laptop. The idea really is ridiculous. Even if it's a hard drive recorder at least it's function is hard wired. It doesn't have to boot, There's no maintenace going on in the background. It's single function is to record and that is hardwired into the unit. It will not crash. Sure there are potential problems with any gear but you need to minimize the chances wherever you can.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:25 pm

Here we go again! If you get hired to record audio for a film/video shoot, you don't "own it"....... it's not yours.
You really think dialog is better and easily usable at 192k?
And what physical gestures would actors be giving to sync with?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:29 pm

BRH wrote:

And what physical gestures would actors be giving to sync with?

It's the wink. You know....the wink. Laughing

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:40 pm

Putting aside my previous comments, I think we may have a troll in our midst.

Any of you gents disagree?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:48 pm

I agree that you should not wear bright white socks if your a member of the Doors. How uncool is that?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:35 pm

Quote:

the lavs sounded too echoey,

Sure you had lav 1 picking up actor 2, and lav 2 picking up actor 1.

The dialog editor will separate the takes.

Film shoots are always single camera, multiple angles and takes, the film editor will sync the dialog, the dialogue editor will use the proper lines for the angle. Many times angle A dialogue will be placed with angle B picture.

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