snare VS OH

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:47 pm

I think the drum kit was recorded through a digi002, while i'm using a ProTools HD...!!!

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:28 pm

Phase simplified:

If you have mics that are out of phase, like the example on the right, you've gotta flip one of the two (or more) to get them to work together as shown on the left.

In some cases it's preferable to move a track forward in time a few milliseconds to make something stand out.

That said, I don't think your problem lies there.

How long have you been pushin' the faders?

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:04 pm

1. Remy was right. Not a lot of useful information posted ahead of her.
2. I would buss all drum tracks together and put a phase meter on that track.
3. Try different combinations of the tracks you have. Move them around(pan). Go with the setup that has the best phase relationship. This will be the best sounding choice, probably.
4. Remy is very wise. If she refutes anything I've said, she's right.
5. Sweet graphic, bent!

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:53 pm

hey guys,

thanks for those usefull infos... I'll sure try them out as soon as i can...

other than that, it's tree in the morning here, and i just woke up with an isea. Tell me what you think...

I thought that maybe, after proper "rephasing" of the two OH mics, i could use a MS encoding to try and get the snare and kick up, even if this means narrowing the stereo...!!!

Well, it would mean proper use of EQs and comps to get something good, but i thought it could be something to try out...

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:00 pm

The snare tends to overwhelm the overhead microphones, so try with a very fast-acting peak limiter on the overhead to keep the snare drum from doing that.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:44 pm

Am I missing something here? Shocked

Did you say you have lots of drum tracks with snare on two and a set of overheads with NO SNARE in em???

How easy does this need to be?

I musta missed something.................................................................?

Splain yoursef agin Loooceee.

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:40 am

I really think we're hearing the classic song "I shot the phase shift. But I didn't shoot the A2D..."? And now he knows what that little "0" is with the line running through it, for.

My basic advice is to " build the bass by pushing buttons". Always in mono. Bass drum too flabby? Push the button. Problem solved !

I think I want to become a supermodel?
Ms. Remy Ann David

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:33 am

Hello there!

Sorry i haven't been able to get back here for quite some time cause i've been pretty much sucked up in a bigger project.
And so i haven't been able to get some sample of the problem but i'll sure do it as soon as i'm back on this one.

Anyway, Let me try to explain again...

It looks like the OH were tracked as if they were, let say, another part of the drum kit. All i've got there is close miking of the cymbals. And of course, with no phase relations between them.
So i just can't use the OH to get an overall image of the drum but can just use them as two other close mics...

To sum up, i have nothing to get an overall image of the drum and so it sounds like everything is disconnected fromthe other part of the kit. And the bigger problem is with the snare since you can hear that it was tracker with only a close mic, and then sound as if in front of everything else.

Like when you record a too close voice for example...

Hope i'm clear.

Anyway, thanks for the help.

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:51 am

How about posting some samples?

I'm clueless
Remy Ann David

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:36 am

well, that's what i was saying, i haven't been able to get back on that project for the last couple of weeks but i'll sure put some samples as soon as i'm back on this one...

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:44 am

To rescue this, you're going to have to create a stereo sub-buss of the drums alone. Then you're gonna have to put a compressor and a reverb across the buss and dink with it till it all glues itself together. You can also add predelays on the cymbal track and compress the snare individually before the stereo sub.

Theres no way around it. Its going to take a lot of work and a lot of cpu to get it to gel.

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:03 am

Well, i already tried that, but even if it helped, this was not totally the answer. Or maybe i didn't spend enough time there.

I'll sure give it another try and let you know.

Anyway, thank you so much for your kind help.

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:24 am

I'm sure we've gone down this road already, but - how many separate, discreet tracks of drum mics are we talking about?

It appears that you've got two OH, one Snare, maybe one Kik?

Just a quick list would suffice, like:

Track# -- Instrument
1) Kik
2) Snare
3) OH-L
4) OH-R

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:12 pm

Am I missing something here? If you're close miking the kit, wouldn't you want the least bleed possible? If it's too upfront, can't you just pull the fader down?

I'm sorry for being so obvious, but I just don't seem to understand...

EDIT: Didn't see there was a second page in this topic, and just noticed Davedog already posting this question, and yes reverb would be the answer... Embarassed

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:06 am

niclaus wrote:

Hello!

i do have to mix this project where the OH tracks are really lacking snare...
Well, there is none of it in there...
The problem is i can't get the snare to fit with the rest, it's always in front of everything...

I tried EQs, comp, reverb,... but it still up infront of everything...

Has anybody ever dealt with that kind of problem???

thanks for your help.

Rob.

Are you sayingthere was a snare mic used and the sound doesn't fit?

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