How Joshua Recording Studios Prefers to Track Drums!

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:44 am

Wow this is impressive. First let me say, this has gotten silly and become nothing more than a slam fest.

In my opinion this all a big misunderstanding. Attitude counts for a lot on this forum.

No one likes to be told how to do something they already know. I think that’s all that’s happening here.

Quite a few people on the forum have loved and lived with audio for a long time. They all have there personal tricks and methods.

It might be best to swap ideas, rather than instruct.

Difference of opinion is normal around here. Aggressive re-education is not.

Best of Luck!

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:45 pm

This topic has raised a few eyebrows!

I don't recal joshua mentioning he was a student either.

I am a student and I only posted a reply as I thought it was a bad example for anyone learning about the recording industry, such as myself.

I think it's clear that it was the wrong way of entering a forum and time to move on.

Suspended Joined: Mar 05, 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Ohio

Ok this is my last reply I promise! I bet you guys are over the hill and have nothing better to do than try and flex an ego, right? I mean what other reason would you have to cause so much drama on this discussion?

It’s like this, when someone has something to offer and they offer it, its there for you to take or leave it.

So DO it, take it or leave it, but don’t complain about the offer.

I was saying get to know me because you guys were taking my post out of context as to what I was really trying to say, but you already know that and apparently don’t care.

Anyways, just get over it! I am not going to apologize for something I didn't do; I am not authoritive and never will be.

I bring religion in to it so you can understand my morals and faith! It’s who I am and if you cared to know that at all you wouldn't mind me saying so!

anyways, I am done with wasting my precious time arguing when I could be mixing a song or something , I don’t know , anything would be better than dealing with judgmental , ignorant , old people.

Thanks

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:43 pm

Is this a good place to ask Josh if he knows which plugin I can use to make my Teisco sound like a Strat?

Preferably Clapton's.

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:58 pm

Joshua! Step back! Why don't you just appologize for making a foolish assumption. You're calling names now? Over the hill? Chalk that up for experience as opposed to naivete.

I know sometime people get pegged wrong. So start new, with a fresh perspective. Reread your post. You came on with attitude and ego. Maybe you're talented. Maybe you could help out some newbs. Great. There are lots of newbs here. There are also lots of real honest to goodness pros. Don't be presumptuous. "He who wishes to be first must be last".

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:31 pm

This article speaks to this subject perfectly:

http://www.eqmag.com/article/answer-lies-within/mar-08/33641

This is in this months EQ mag, about Mike Portnoy (drummer for Dream Theater, Neal Morse and others) and Engineer Paul Northfiled (I think he comes under the heading of a 'Pro')

Portnoy is one my fav drummers and his recent work with Neal Morse is now one my new benchmarks for comparing drum sounds.

Here's a short excerpt concerning thier first CD

EQ:Was the entire kit triggered on Images and Words?
PORTNOY: I believe the entirety of what you hear is triggered. David Prater [producer] was a very difficult person to work with. He was the kind of producer who would lock you out of the studio during the mix, and just do whatever the hell he wanted. I made it pretty clear from the beginning that I hated those drum sounds during tracking, but he had just done a popular record with a hair metal band called Firehouse, and he thought it would be a good idea to use all those drum sounds on our album, as well. That kind of sound may work with pop metal, but it was completely out of place with an over-the-top, progressive metal band. But that was our first album for a major label, and we had no leverage.

Ok- So 'nuff said,
I'm guessing that we're all ready for installment 2 of 6?

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:09 pm

I have nothing to add about this that hasn't been addressed, but I have to agree with everything that's been said.

Josh man, you've got to man up and admit that you came off as all-knowing and just start over. The first words out of my professor's mouth when I went to school were "You have to be humble in this game".

And never bring religion in to clear anything up. I'm not a religious guy, but I'm certainly a stand up, honest, hard working dude. You don't need religion to have morals or ethics.

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:42 pm

I am pretty easy going, and try to be as fair minded as I can. I am not one to pick fights. But I have to Second fouron3 comments on religion. It has no place in this discussion, and certainly tells me nothing positive about your character.

Good Luck!

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:00 pm

Boy! Turn off the internet for a day and try and get some work done and you really miss a lot. You guys are tougher than the Three Billy Goats Gruff. Now I'll never learn the secrets of the pros. Rolling Eyes

Except that a few of them are overly familiar with the work habits of cross dressing prosties in DuPont Circle. NTTAWT

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:47 pm

"Turn off the internet for a day"
Laughing

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:52 pm

Answer: Turn off the internet for a day.

Question: What does my cable company do when I'm late paying the bill?

>Wow, how lame was that???<

Laughing

Suspended Joined: Mar 05, 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Ohio

Thats awesome , even Mike Portnoy uses drum replacement, notice he never said he didn't like triggering, he just didn't like the samples the dude was using! Thanks Natural, you've helped me out here 10 fold. And even knowing that, I am still not saying that this is the only solution for tracking perfect drums, but if its good enough for Mike portnoy and Firehouse, its certainly good enough for most drummers! Once again , this is my opinion and I dont want anyone to get offended or anything.

Enough Said!!!!!!!!

Suspended Joined: Mar 05, 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Ohio

Lets start a new topic titled, Guitar Replacement! What do you guys know about that cause this is one area I'm lost! I am open to any suggestions!

Thanks

Suspended Joined: Mar 05, 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Ohio

Hey Natural, I would post part 2 of 6 but I dont think the others really want to hear it. If you'd like to hear it personally from me you can email me and I will send it to you and we can discuss it! Also , you guys might want to know to look for me in Recording Magazine in a few months, I just got off the phone with Mike the chief editor and we are talking about posting my article in one of the up coming editions.

Hopefully the readers there will be a little nicer!
Smile

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:39 pm

joshuarecordingstudios wrote:

Thats awesome , even Mike Portnoy uses drum replacement, notice he never said he didn't like triggering, he just didn't like the samples the dude was using! Thanks Natural, you've helped me out here 10 fold. And even knowing that, I am still not saying that this is the only solution for tracking perfect drums, but if its good enough for Mike portnoy and Firehouse, its certainly good enough for most drummers! Once again , this is my opinion and I dont want anyone to get offended or anything.

Enough Said!!!!!!!!

Respectfully Josh, I think the article snippet was pretty clear that it wasn't good enough for Portnoy...he said that they had no leverage because it was their first album. To me that says if he had his drothers, he wouldn't have opted for that method.
IMO he's certainly a solid enough drummer to not need it, but whatever. I've heard of the method being used before and have some engineering friends that use it from time to time...to each their own.

And there is no guitar replacement, so don't even bark up that tree.

Rolling Eyes

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