How Joshua Recording Studios Prefers to Track Drums!

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:32 pm

Regarding the PSW thread: honestly I think he got better treatment here. I'd rather be told up front than be the butt of all jokes until or if | was lucky enough to catch on.

As far as I'm concerned they raked him over the coals over there and he never even knew it.

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:59 pm

I'll chime in with one last thought...

I think much of the commenting about Joshua was far milder here and at PSW than it would have been even a couple of years ago.

I cannot imagine the field day had the old Shit Brigade been around, or if this post had shown up in the old Rec Pit, R.A.P. or even in The Womb.

Joshua... consider yourself one lucky young man...

If you care to engage in the discussion of recording and techniques... chime in, please. Just be cognizant that there will be differing opinions.

Suspended Joined: Mar 05, 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Ohio

So, is it possible for Joshua Recording Studios to redeem its self after this post?

I know quantizing has been around for years, but toontracks has not! Never until superior 2.0 was release was you able to trigger drums (acoustic drums) and have them sound realistic. The only difference in sound is that it’s on time, which is the whole reason I use this method. I am perfectly capable of recording a drum set with only microphones and getting great drum sounds, the problem is a drummer that can play perfectly in time. Granted, you could do take after take for 10 hours straight on 1 song, but its much easier and time efficient to quantize, in the end everyone is happy. Mike portnoy wasn't happen with the sound of his drums on images and words, not the timing! The only problem Mike Portnoy had with sampling is that he didn't like the samples that particular producer was using. I do suppose, quantizing drum hits isn't for every style of music, jazz for instance probably wouldn't be the best time to start moving things around, besides, jazz drummers are phenomenal most of the time and they play on time better than a click track could, lol!

Also, when I started this method of tracking drums, I wasn't the best at quantizing and making the drums sound good with the samples that I had. I can see why you might be turned off by this method in the beginning but you if you keep persistent at it you will get better at it just like anything else.

If you are against drum replacement and you claim to be a 100% realist in the aspects of recording, then I am assuming you mix down your masters to tape as well. Because got forbid everything gets quantized in to 1's and 0's, hahaha!

Anyways, take it or leave it, how many more times do you guys want me to say it?

This method isn't for everyone, so if you want, you can use it, if not that’s fine to!

NO MORE NEGATIVE RESPONSES PLEASE, BY LEAVING A NEGATIVE RESPONSE YOUR ARE JUST SHOWING HOW GOOD YOU CAN MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING!

Oh yeah, I suppose you guys don’t like Simon Cowell? Give me your thoughts on that one! He is a pro at giving his opinion and pissing people off, but he’s right most of the time I would have to say! He spits the truth, I like that! But don’t mistake truth for opinion.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=roLX4ZW2Ldk

Late

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:04 am

I dont think he gets it

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:56 am

I've got an Akai S900 with the drum module fitted
Smile

anyone want it ?

I just wanted to be part of the thread
Smile

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:11 am

Joshua said:"...because got forbid..."
You're pathetic, Christian Boy, pathetic. Now scram.

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:36 am

joshuarecordingstudios wrote:

The only difference in sound is that it’s on time, which is the whole reason I use this method.

I think this is the crux of the issue.

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:05 am

Davedog wrote:

Thanx for this Ben..........It seems that they didnt roast him too badly.

It would appear they did:

http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/22149/0/

Joshua: Why post the Toontrack link?

This has nothing to do with your original post. You said you replaced and edited acoustic drums after recording them, this does away with them! Maybe you should have watched the video prior to setting up your studio. Could have saved you some cash.

Anyone who has heard of Simon Cowell will know he knows his stuff, doesn't matter if they like him or not.

Are you seriously refering yourself to him? lol, good one!

I think it's time you took it like a man and admit you went the wrong way about things when you joined here. Maybe then you will salvage what's left of your rapidly decreasing popularity.

I don't care if you want to go on and on about how we are all wrong. It won't do anything to my business rep as I don't have one! You however should consider the fact that you do and you should have nipped this in the bud LONG ago!

Although, I'm easily amused and could do with more of a laugh if you wish to continue...

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:01 am

joshuarecordingstudios wrote:

So, is it possible for Joshua Recording Studios to redeem its self after this post?

Yes.

Joshua wrote:

I know quantizing has been around for years, but toontracks has not! Never until superior 2.0 was release was you able to trigger drums (acoustic drums) and have them sound realistic.

See, now it appears as though you're happy about your software. This isn't a bad thing. Just realize that not everyone will share your enthusiasm - engineers, drummers, and (maybe some) producers may actually prefer the organic nature of real drums. And yes, even Superior 2.0 sounds like fake drums.

Joshua wrote:

The only difference in sound is that it’s on time, which is the whole reason I use this method.

You seem hell-bent on this "on-time" stuff. First, what drummers are you recording that can't get close enough to the click that they NEED to be quantized?

Second, replacing a drummer because he can't stay on time is exactly like replacing Ron Jeremy because he gets soft early. Ron wouldn't be happy about that, neither should your drummer. (Maybe we should all consider wearing WWRD bracelets from now on?)

Joshua wrote:

I am perfectly capable of recording a drum set with only microphones and getting great drum sounds, the problem is a drummer that can play perfectly in time. Granted, you could do take after take for 10 hours straight on 1 song, but its much easier and time efficient to quantize, in the end everyone is happy.

Who the hell is mangling your drum kit that it takes you 10 hours to fix the timing?

(I edited this because I made an unfair attack against an entire group of people - besides, even mentally handicapped individuals could play drums correctly enough to not need editing for 10 hours...)

Joshua wrote:

Mike portnoy wasn't happen with the sound of his drums on images and words, not the timing! The only problem Mike Portnoy had with sampling is that he didn't like the samples that particular producer was using.

Just think, if they had just recorded the drums that Mike was playing, he would have liked the sound in the first place.

Joshua wrote:

Also, when I started this method of tracking drums, I wasn't the best at quantizing and making the drums sound good with the samples that I had. I can see why you might be turned off by this method in the beginning but you if you keep persistent at it you will get better at it just like anything else.

Dude, I've been playing with MIDI and quantization for 23 years now. Drums are easy to quantize.

Joshua wrote:

If you are against drum replacement and you claim to be a 100% realist in the aspects of recording, then I am assuming you mix down your masters to tape as well. Because got forbid everything gets quantized in to 1's and 0's, hahaha!

Nope, I stay digital here. Also, bear in mind, quantization to 1's and 0's in the digital realm have nothing to do with quantization of sounds within the X time domain. It has to do with quantization of amplitude in the Y envelope. 24 bits represented by 1's and 0's represented every sample.

Joshua wrote:

Anyways, take it or leave it, how many more times do you guys want me to say it?

We don't want you to say it anymore.

Joshua wrote:

This method isn't for everyone, so if you want, you can use it, if not that’s fine to!

Fine.

Where this would have been appropriate then, would have been on someone's post on this forum about how to record drums using samples. There's at least 200.

Joshua wrote:

NO MORE NEGATIVE RESPONSES PLEASE, BY LEAVING A NEGATIVE RESPONSE YOUR ARE JUST SHOWING HOW GOOD YOU CAN MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING!

Oh, heck yeah. I can make a HUGE deal out of nothing.

Joshua wrote:

Oh yeah, I suppose you guys don’t like Simon Cowell? Give me your thoughts on that one! He is a pro at giving his opinion and pissing people off, but he’s right most of the time I would have to say! He spits the truth, I like that! But don’t mistake truth for opinion.

First - are you equating yourself to Simon Cowell?

Second - Simon is a Blow hard. His whole purpose on the show is to bring the conflict to the show that Fox requires. What he spews may be true in many cases, it's venomous. In other cases, he completely glosses over piss-poor performances with horrible intonation issues. He has a role to play and he does it well.

How about looking at it from this standpoint -
You're the contestent here on RO and Dave, Bent and Me are Simon. (I'd say Remy too, but she's got more of an angry black man trapped inside of her than a cheeky brit. Perhaps she's a rabid Randy...certainly not a Paula.)[/img]

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:31 am

joshuarecordingstudios wrote:

So, is it possible for Joshua Recording Studios to redeem its self after this post?

Let me consult the "magic 8 ball"... "The answer is unclear. Try again later."

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I know quantizing has been around for years, but toontracks has not! [blah, blah, blah, blah, blah]

Anyways, take it or leave it, how many more times do you guys want me to say it?

That's not the point kid. The point is that "WE" don't really want you to say anything other than "I guess I should have not posted this in the way I did." and leave it at that. But your following statement kinda' proves that you just don't seem to get it that you are fanning your own flames in typical toll-esque style.

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NO MORE NEGATIVE RESPONSES PLEASE, BY LEAVING A NEGATIVE RESPONSE YOUR ARE JUST SHOWING HOW GOOD YOU CAN MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING!

WRONG! By you failing to actually listen to the community which is telling you to politely shut up and listen, you keep bringing more and more negativity upon yourself. It's not the other way around.

For those of us who do not subscribe to your methodology, it IS a big deal when you fail to recognize that we too are entitled to our own opinions. Oh, you say you recognize that we're entitled, then you attempt to excoriate us for disagreeing with you and are obvious in your failure to actually listen to reason.

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Late

As in too late?? Probably

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:48 am

joshuarecordingstudios wrote:

So, is it possible for Joshua Recording Studios to redeem its self after this post?....

Oh yeah, I suppose you guys don’t like Simon Cowell? Give me your thoughts on that one! He is a pro at giving his opinion and pissing people off, but he’s right most of the time I would have to say! He spits the truth, I like that! But don’t mistake truth for opinion....

The answer to the first question is "No" if you continue to make delusional, self aggrandizing statements like the second statement. I'm afraid that you are the one who needs to learn the difference between the truth and an opinion. You also need to learn the difference between an opinion that is grounded in extensive experience and the opinion of a novice. You need to learn the difference humility and arrogance. You need to learn the difference between honest salesmanship and unsubstantiated hyperbole.

Just to repeat what has been said before but you can't seem to get through your head: Many of the people here have a substantive disagreement with you on the subject of quantization and sound substitution. But that's a good thing. We like substantive exchanges. The reasons people are getting on your case so strongly are:
1. You started out giving a very unsubtle sales pitch for your business.
2. You represented yourself as having secrets and inside information - and far more experience than you actually possess.
3. You implied that your methods were superior to others (the truth rather than opinion).
4. You insulted the character and motives of those who disagreed with you.

Go back and read your posts. You just can't seem to resist bragging and taunting. You still have not been able to gauge your audience. Until you have fixed these problems, I'd give up any thought of trying to write articles. You just aren't any good at it. (An opinion from a professional author.)

Suspended Joined: Mar 05, 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Ohio

If you haven't at least tried
my method with ALL of the software that I USE, then you have no right to say I dont know what I am talking about! Not only do you need to try before saying I'm clueless, you need to get good at not only quantizing ( which yes is easy) you need to get good at making your drums sound realistic. They sound like fake drums, well I guess you didn't watch the link, they are in fact real drums recorded with multisamples meaning every sound you need is in the software, you just have to find it.

I will continue to defend my method because I use it, you dont have to use it if you dont want.

As a matter of fact, I am heading to the studio right now to record a band that comes to me for this reason.

late

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:08 am

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You're the contestent here on RO and Dave, Bent and Me are Simon.

This Simon sez: No golden ticket for you!

Time for me to repeat myself, from page two I think:
The main problem I have with your original post is that a majority of us have been there and done that, it's no big deal, no secret.
Most people here know what drum replacement is, and quantization. Hell - alot of us know what dither is and use it purposely, not just because it seems like it's the right thing to do. How did you word it on the Mastering thread? Let's see...
A-ha, about dither you said:

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This is so you dont loose your sound quality from 24 bit or something like that, haha, I just use it cause I know your supposed to.

I've been shakin' my head at this one for hours now. Rolling Eyes

You appear to have a fairly lucrative business going on; A number of bands seem to trust you and your abilities... Kudos to you.

However, if you keep it up on these and PSW's pages, you're going to find your fan base begin to dwindle - then in short notice we'll all be on Ebay making comments about how much you're tryin' to auction that POS Bluetube preamp for.

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:05 pm

I dont think we've had such a discussion with a block of wood since.......well, since JP himself.

SimonDogg sez,,,,,,,,I thought it was dreadful. It was seriously flawed and you seemed to not care about what your audience thought about it. You'll be lucky to make it through to the next round.

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:28 pm

Edited.

Sorry Space -
While I did laugh, it was at personal attacks. Don't take it personally - you're still okay in my book.

Jeremy

edit:
He is my son!!!!
Do you not think I do not know how his Mother dresses him?

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