Controller Or No Controller?

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:39 pm

Codemonkey wrote:

I still wanna know how anyone can need 20 channels of XLR inputs.

especially at a sub pro-sumer quality

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:41 pm

Greener wrote:

16 + 2 = 20

I'm not helping but, stealthy, write down "what you have equipment wise", "what you want to do and how much money you have". Someone might be able to advise you on what to buy.
Also make up your mind on what you want to do, you started out at wanting to add "8 quality XLR's" then went to 16, now you feel the need for 20? Or are you just keen to buy something that you can expand on later. If so include this in the "what you want to do". section.

Thanks, I like typing.

I have nothing that is applicable to this thread...which is why I want to understand everything before I go and get stuff. I wont normally do this, but I want to be ABLE to if I really needed to: 8 drums, 2 guitars, and 1 bass all at once. I want to be able to do this the most efficient, easy way without spending a ton of money. This is for a home project studio with a budget of $2200 for a 002r unit and enough preamps to do what i listed above.

However, I also have a plan B. If I can just track 8 drums at a time, for a great deal less that plan A said above...then so be it. But the way I see it, atleast get a 002r and 8ch preamp.

I will be the first to admit I dont know much on the technical aspects of these particular setups, and that is why I ask so many questions and try my best to learn and understand what makes things work. So far, I've learned a ton from this forum and I hope to learn alot more since I've only learned probably 3% of what there is to know Wink

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:44 pm

Given a xlr cable is like what 15-30 bucks (unless you want to mix in the middle of the band)?
20 is $300 to $600.
20 mics is a lot.
"I'm trying to stay in the $600 range"
Needs and wants time.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:45 pm

Greener wrote:

Given a xlr cable is like what 15-30 bucks (unless you want to mix in the middle of the band)?
20 is $300 to $600.
20 mics is a lot.
"I'm trying to stay in the $600 range"
Needs and wants time.

That $600 number i threw up was purely for 8 ch of preamps.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:15 pm

I missed your second last reply before running with Codemonkeys' tune. Umm, sorry Razz

Anyways, I understand more now where you are coming from.

But for those kinds of dollars, aim to record one thing at a time. Drums being the hardest tracks to get, a cheap drum mic pack consisting of a kick mic, snare mic and 2 overheads could be a good place to start.
For me, spending my money I would get.
002r
kick drum mic, don't stress too much about quality just get a mic that can get the looow freqs.
sm57 * 2 (all round tough instrument mic)
sm58 for vocals.

You can use that to record a kit fairly well, then butcher to record other instruments later (whilst they listen to the drum track through headphones).

Basically you wont be able to afford to record everyone at once with any sort of quality.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:23 pm

For the record Greener (and anyone else), this is not my first setup, and I have been recording for a few years. I know I do sound like a big noob Wink

Lets leave mics for another thread, Ive got them pretty well taken care of anyways.

The $2200 budget is just for an 002r and preamps as mentioned above.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:32 pm

Okay,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Focusrite-ISA-828?sku=180187
Shiny Smile

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:34 pm

Greener wrote:

Okay,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Focusrite-ISA-828?sku=180187
Shiny Smile

2500 for 8 channels? way way way over my budget. if im only going with an 002r and one 8ch preamp, then my budget is only going to be $1500. which is why i was looking towards the octopre LT which is $600.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:47 pm

Why pay for the pres on the 002r?

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?SKU=LADATCARD&ovchn=FRO&ovcpn=FROOGLE&ovcrn=LADATCARD&ovtac=CMP
Anyone know how else to get ADAT into a pc? Firewire?

Seems for 2750 you could do it all in gold. I'm just googling things to keep from getting bored if I'm annoying you feel free not to read.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:31 am

Stealthy, based on your replies, I don't think ProTools is the right way to go for you. PT is too inflexible. I think you need a lower entry-point system that is more expandable.

Choose a software package other than PT, and choose an interface that will do what you want now and can be expanded later.

Are you Mac or PC based? For a Mac, how about Logic Pro 8 and a Mackie 1200F interface? That would give you 12 quality mic preamps, headphone drives for tracking and lots of ADAT expandability. If you are on a PC, try Cakewalk SONAR or a product in the Samplitude-Sequoia family from Magix.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:36 am

Boswell wrote:

Stealthy, based on your replies, I don't think ProTools is the right way to go for you. PT is too inflexible. I think you need a lower entry-point system that is more expandable.

Choose a software package other than PT, and choose an interface that will do what you want now and can be expanded later.

Are you Mac or PC based? For a Mac, how about Logic Pro 8 and a Mackie 1200F interface? That would give you 12 quality mic preamps, headphone drives for tracking and lots of ADAT expandability. If you are on a PC, try Cakewalk SONAR or a product in the Samplitude-Sequoia family from Magix.

I've already got a PT setup using a 001 and G4. I really dont see myself using anything other software, I love PT. But thanks for the suggest, although I dont understand why you say PT isnt the right way for me to go...

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:52 am

stealthy wrote:

I've already got a PT setup using a 001 and G4. I really dont see myself using anything other software, I love PT. But thanks for the suggest, although I dont understand why you say PT isnt the right way for me to go...

That's new information, but you're been expressing wishes that go beyond what the PT/001 rig is capable of, even if you were to expand it to the max.

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:21 pm

continue to use the 001/G4 and add an ADDA80000 or better
I think I've already said this

you can always switch to a PC with the 001 to give more grunt and SATA drives etc
yes you will be stuck at PTle 6.4 but there is plenty there to get a project finished
I record on a PC/001 (and do much of the edit during the session)
and then mix on a Mac/HD2

you don't need the controller

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