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mark_van_j
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:53 pm |
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So I need suggestions for some broadcasting gear for our college radio station. We are soon going to AM and will be upgrading our equipment.
We just bought a Radiosystems RS12 broadcast board. We have a UREI compressor on the output and a basic EQ.
We need to get new mics, as well upgrade our software. Our hired engineer swears by 421's. I think we would be better off with RE20's or SM7's, both of which are in the same price range. What do you guys think?
We are currently playing songs off of CD's and sometimes winamp. We need a better program than winamp... What do radio stations use? I've tried searching but I can't seem to come up with anything decent...
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bpatram
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I suggest going with SM7's. They cost a bit less than RE20s, now come with a regular windscreen and a larger one for more intense plosives. You don't need to spend more cash on a spring shock absorber the mic capsule has some sort of internal air suspension.
Automation wise, if its a smaller station an application like Jazler Simplepack will do fine with it. http://www.jazler.com
It can take care of music scheduling - automatic, live assist, jingles, sweepers, spots, etc. Has some excellent features for its price. It runs on Windows and isn't difficult for air staff to operate.
Another option is Rivendell from Salem radio labs. http://www.salemradiolabs.com/rivendell/
It is under a GPL license, so it is 100% free to use. This program is very very powerful in what it can do. Just take a look at the manual to it to get the idea. It runs on Linux OS systems. I have spent the last couple days actually trying to get it setup on a machine and it is difficult. On top of having to get Linux with a workable GUI running. You then need to install mysql server and set it up along with some other packages. So you may have to hire an outside company to do the setup. This program doesn't do music scheduling like Jazler. You must program the content via a clockwheel type setup or let air staff live assist with it.
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moonbaby
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421's sound great on some voices, not so great on others. They are certainly not as "neutral" and "tight" in their pick-up as an RE-20. In a less-than-great-acoustical environment, the RE-20 rules. As for the shock mount thing, there are modular popscreen options available for the RE-20, as well. This allows every member of the voice team to have their own screen and not spread germs and scum to the other talent. There's nothing worse than putting your face up to a nasty,
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BobRogers
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Is your "hired engineer" someone who is going to be working at the station every day? If so, you'd be off to a bad start going against his favorite on such a basic thing. His choice does seem to be somewhat nonstandard, but its not like the 421 isn't a good mic. If he's the guy who is going to have to deal with the equipment day-to-day, I'd have to have a pretty strong reason to go against him. |
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mark_van_j
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The engineer is a consultant who sets up radio stations for broadcast. He has an extremely long list of references for the past 40 years, from both Canada and the US.
After discussing this with him, his argument was that with a radio station where there are alot of DJ's, the 421 will force them to use proper mic technique inherently sounding better. He said he tried both RE20's and SM7's but thinks the 421 sounds better on AM.
Myself being the Chief engineer and Production director at the station, it's my call to decide wether to use his advice, or go against it. We have a 421, and I have access to an RE20, so I'll probably try both and see what sounds better...
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moonbaby
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Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:21 am |
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A valid point, I'm sure. My only experience in an AM radio station was with RE-20's, not with the 421. I just have issues with plosives with a 421, but that's why God made windscreens, right? And like BobR stated, you don't want to tick your advisor off. |
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griz
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I always thought the RE20s made my voice sound muddy with all of the processing we used on the AM station - there was less processing in line on the FM side so the muddiness was not as apparent.
The 421s were much clearer sounding. Inexperienced announcers had difficulty using them ... trouble with "p," "b," "t," "s," and "z" sounds.... |
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dpd
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ex-broadcast engineer here...
We outfitted our station (1994) with SM-7s. We replaced all of them with RE-27s in order to eliminate hum in the microphones that was being induced by CRT monitors in the studios. The RE series is effectively immune to magnetic field induced hum, where the SM-7s are not. So, if you are planning to have CRT monitors in your control rooms, I'd opt for the RE series. If you have LCD monitors, then you just pick which one sounds best for your application.
As far as mic technique goes - I doubt if volunteers will ever learn proper mic technique; some of our paid staff never figured it out.
Personally, I'd run away from having an EQ and compression on your audio, most especially if anyone can access the controls. You should get all your processing in one box right before your transmitter - a basic Orban or Omnia box. If you cannot afford one, keep your processing out of the hands of board operators. |
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