Yo I just Got The antares Mic Modeler...

Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:29 pm

I see A lot of mics on here and i was wondering about some of the possible applications of said plug-in conjunction with the use of some of the mics below...My intention is to record hip hop vocals and i'm trying to get a clean crisp sound. I was also wondering if I should use a microphone pre amp too...

If anybody out there can feel my pain let me know how you feel about the use of these mics and plugins.

Shure Beta 57a
Shure beta 52
Audix OM-2
Shure KSM 27

Please somebody tell me what you think of the antares mic modeler

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:49 am

(A) You don't have a choice - You have to use a preamp. That's not optional.

(B) The Mic Modeler is pretty much a joke. Nothing is going to make a SM57 sound like a 414 or a U87. It's not even close. It's more or less a glorified EQ.

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:40 am

The top mics for rap, hip-hop, etc are the Telefunken C12, the AKG version, the Sony C800G, etc, etc. Anything bright on the top end. Your modeler won't have those. Get your money back. That box is not the right tool for the job. What you are seeking (if you are seeking the exact same quality as a major label) might by had with an ADK TT, an Avalon or some other high voltage clean preamp, and maybe some multiband compression/limiting. Really you need what the pros have to get what you are hearing on CDs. But you have to start somewhere. It might be cheaper to book a room with all of the same exact gear and a good engineer.

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:48 am

Massive Mastering wrote:

(A) You don't have a choice - You have to use a preamp. That's not optional.

(B) The Mic Modeler is pretty much a joke. Nothing is going to make a SM57 sound like a 414 or a U87. It's not even close. It's more or less a glorified EQ.

If you had, say, a U87 that you wanted to make sound like a SM57, would it work?

That's how I heard it described at Full Sail-- use a high-quality mic and make it into ANOTHER high-quality mic.

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:39 am

I cant afford to get the exact sound I'm looking for. I want That Industry standard sound but DAMN... The Telefunken Mic cost as much as a down payment on a cheap house (lol). What do you guys think about using a
SM57 with the Presonus Micpre. By The way I'm very appreciative of all the replies you guys are a godsend and if any of you are interested I'll send you free copies of my project and a tee shirt when I wrap this thing up.
To tell you a little about me...I'm a hip hop artist ( No Not like what you hear on the radio because most of that stuff on the radio sounds the same and we will all forget it as soon as next years "Next big thing comes out" you know how that goes) anyway...I started producing 6 years ago because producers were charging to much and the ones i was dealing with are too caught up with sounding exactly like someone else all the time. I got some software (Sonar 5, Soundforge 7, Reason 3.0, and Damn near 300 different plug ins) I made most of my own tracks (unmixed) I write all of my own lyrics and I wear about a million different hats (It' doesn't help when you have a peanut head). I rely on controlled testing and reading materials to gain skills and knowledge about actually recording. I don't know sh#$ about engineering but I'm learning and I thank you guys for being a part of that process. Let me know what you think about that Shure SM57 mic and the presonus micpre and let me know if i need a mic amp too.

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:31 pm

Yo I just found the updated Presets for Mic Mod And they include the following

Shure ksm32
Sony c800g
Telefunken U47

I was thinking about using one of these as an output preset and using a Shure beta 57A as the input. I know there is no way to completely get over the fact that some of these mics cost like $8,000 but i'm thinking that maybe (please god) just maybe i might be able to get a little bit of their eq characteristics.

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:26 pm

empri330 wrote:

Yo I just found the updated Presets for Mic Mod And they include the following

Shure ksm32
Sony c800g
Telefunken U47

I was thinking about using one of these as an output preset and using a Shure beta 57A as the input. I know there is no way to completely get over the fact that some of these mics cost like $8,000 but i'm thinking that maybe (please god) just maybe i might be able to get a little bit of their eq characteristics.

Look, the logic is stupid. You can't make a modeled mic sound like the real deal. The 57A reacts completely different to the condenser mics, and it being a beta with NDym magnets does horrid things to the sound. So the Antares is supposed to eliminate the effects of the 57A and then make it sound like a Sony? Hardly.

It is not just about reproducing a signature EQ. It is sensitivity, off axis rejection, proximity, dynamics, etc. You cannot make one mic sound like another.

Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:57 am

Great vocal tracks have been made with cheap mics. No plugin or mic in the world will write good lyrics and make you perform well.

Stop worrying about the gear because gear doesn't sell records....performances do.

Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:31 pm

Thanks therecordingart. I'll stop worryin a little

Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:23 pm

empri330 wrote:

Thanks therecordingart. I'll stop worryin a little

Look at Wu Tang's album...i think it's 36 chambers. One of the crappiest sounding recordings that I've ever heard in that genre, but look how popular it was.

Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:57 pm

But this guy says that the wants rap vocals that are prestine and clean to cut. He is wizzin in the wind with a Beta57A.

Get an ADK TT or an AKG C414. You will have plenty of cut.

Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:37 pm

Nobody says you can't get a clean/crisp sound with a Beta57. Get a solid performance and then worry about clean n crisp. Chances are you'll forget all about it. Save up some coin while you work on your chops and then get a really good mic and pre.

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:11 am

I just did some overdubs for a concert im mixin and i decided to use the good ol sm57, you know, for the "live fx"...you know what...it rocks...through my API is just beatiful...just gotta try and u will be surprised...

Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:01 am

Massive Mastering wrote:

... The Mic Modeler is ... more or less a glorified EQ.

You know, that wouldn't be such a bad thing if it actually told you what it was doing so you could learn something. Does the plugin expose what is behind the presets?

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:15 am

Quote:

If you had, say, a U87 that you wanted to make sound like a SM57, would it work?

Are you serious??

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