NEED THE ELITE STUDIO PROS ON THIS ONE...PLEASE

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:30 pm

im going to open a new studio and and plan to do rap rnb and bands. im using nuendo now and will be adding protools to the set up. IM GETTING A U87 MIC WITH A NEVE1073 PRE AND A 1176 COMPRESSER WITH A ROSETTA 200. THE PROBLEM IM HAVING IS WHAT MIXING BOARD SHOULD i GET? I HAD PLANS TO GET THE NEW TASCAM DM4800 BUT PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME NO. IM GOING TO HAVE THE QUALITY BUT STILL NEED THE LOOK. I KNOW NOW A DAYS PEOPLE MIX WITHIN PROTOOLS AND NUENDO WITH NO BOARD. MY STUDIO NEEDS TO LOOK NICE. THE TASCAM WILL DO THE JOB I THINK. ANY SUGGESTIONS ON A BOARD TO HELP THE STUDIO? WILL THE BOARD MESS UP MY SIGNAL PATH OF ALL THE HIGH END GEAR AND MAKE THE SOUND BAD? I HAVE 3500 TO SPEND ON A NICE BOARD. CAN SOME ONE HELP. THANKS

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:01 pm

I'M SORRY WHAT DID YOU SAY????????

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:13 pm

Why the loud double post???

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:28 pm

Mackie has a nice look.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:33 pm

If you want the look that screams "I AM WHERE ITS AT!" get a Digi Designs D-Command or C|24 control surface. or Mackie Universal Control is another option.

The Mackie is control sufaces only, so the faders and knobs interact with your DAW but no audio signal passed through it.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:46 pm

If you want analog, you'd be surprised what you can get for around that price.
You could probably find an Amek Big, somewhere around there.

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:17 am

mastermine wrote:

IM GETTING A U87 MIC WITH A NEVE1073 PRE AND A 1176 COMPRESSER WITH A ROSETTA 200.

First, STOP FRIGGIN YELLING (typing in all caps). It's annoying.

It's no wonder why you need the "elite studio pros" on this one. Normally I would assume that someone buying those four products would be able to make their own decisions about what sort of mixing board to get, or not, as the case might be. Why are people telling you "NO"? Are they saying it sounds like crap? What are they saying that worries you?

Are you planning on just having it there to "LOOK NICE"? I mean, you've got the mic, pre, comp and converter, you don't even need the mixer for anything other than looks. You say you're concerned about it compromising the sound of your "HIGH END GEAR". It shouldn't even be in the signal path of your "HIGH END GEAR". Plus, you've only got one channels worth of said "HIGH END GEAR", so what the heck do you need a full console for? If you have other mics and equipment, I'm guessing it's all not "HIGH END GEAR" and I doubt that this mixer will ruin the sound of that equipment.

It scares the hell out of me that you seemingly only want to get a mixing board for the looks.

You're going to spend all that money on one mic, one pre, one compressor, one AD/DA and then only want to spend $3500 on a console? Doesn't the 4800 go for $5000?

Get whatever the hell you want because you won't be using it anyway.

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:20 am

Maybe I'm off the mark here a bit pr0gr4m, but I think our young/newbile poster is just spouting off brands and models.... either that or he is just plain getting fleeced to hell my some gear schlep after the guys Christmas money. e.g. mastermine is a young kid with no money and just trying to see if he can find the cheapest junk out there, or he's really too stupid to realize that it takes a lot more than just a couple of pieces of gear to make a decent recording.

He wants his studio to look nice, which is cool... who doesn't... but when its regardless of whether it sounds worth a damn?
... if there's even a semi-decent room involved at all.

mastermine, if I've insulted you... good. You should really do a LOT more investigation into the craft of making records before plunking down any real money on gear. Either that, or just spend your money foolishly and let me scarf it up on eBay for $.25 on the dollar in 6 months... your choice.

You're talking about buying ONE good channel. Then, as has been pointed out, you're going to compromise it all with a relatively cheap piece of gear that you really don't need. You're not making sense here.

Here's my point... OK, let's say you buy the U87, 1073 and the 1176... you pump it into the Rosetta... where the hell are you gonna put the one track?

What type of storage are you using? How you gonna' play this one single track back?... much less the beats and such... What type of midi control are you using? How many tracks are you going to need to mix? How many midi channels and devices are you using? What type of overall system do you intend to use? What kind of monitoring are you using? How's your Control Room sound? What about your tracking room? Are you gonna track real instruments at all? Can you comp tracks? How you gonna comp those tracks?

You're trying to come off as putting together a nice big studio with serious bucks invested, and yet... no offense to the regulars in here... you post it here in the Home, Project Studio's forum?!?! I know there's a lot of serious gear being used by the folks here, but you're gonna spend a few more grand on one channel than you are on a console??? That's just plain goofy.

C'mon... you want to come out and play with the big boys and unfortunately, you come off as not being able to get out of the sandbox. If you're spending that kind of money on ONE channel, grow some more cash and get a decent worksurface or console... maybe a 4032 or a D-Control. Or you could go all out and do a complete ProTools HD6 and X-Logic rig.

Look, it's cool that you want to put together a decent rig. As a matter of fact, I for one wish you all the best at making some music and even being mildly successful at it. But... you don't mention your core system, any other gear you have or anything else that tells ANYONE that you even have the slightest clue as to what you are doing.

If you are truly a newb at this... just say so (As is my gut feeling). We all started at the beginning... so start out by picking a core way to do things... ProTools, Logic, Nintendo, RADAR, etc... Build around that core and buy the gear that delivers the best bank for your buck. Start with a minor investment in gear until you feel confident with it and THEN step up to the pro level. And in the mean time, get your room acoustics nailed down. If your room sounds like crap, no amount of gear is going to help you get beyond anything but marginal.

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:18 am

Actually, the Gaff moved him here to alternatively moderately cheap forum....probably because he thought it was the same as MadMax and Programs' take on it.

Yeah theres a lot of things here that are missing......................

You CAN buy a very old console that looks impressive as hell for that kinda money. It'll most likely need twice that much cash to get it working properly................

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:56 pm

All hail, the self righteous know it alls have spoken.
You know this is typical American arrogant behavior towards fellow human beings.
So on one hand you have a youg kid,(pointed out by Mad Max) who is asking a few questions. Who obviously does not know a greaat deal about what he is talking about. Rather than offer words of encouragement and depart some of your wisdon on him, help him understand better what he is getting into, you all chose to insult and condemn him right off the bat.

How bout you have some decency, and maybe guide the kid along a bit. Give him someinsight. Give him a few things to think about.
With all your replies the kid probably feels retarted and wont ever post here again. Your probably thinking, "Great." Wont need to deal with these undereducated newbies who know nothing.

Well where did you all start off? I suppose you were born knowing what adats were and that bit rate was not something found in alphabetical soup?

AND SO WHAT IF THE KID HIT ALL CAPS!!! ARE YOU SUCH AN ASS THAT THE WAY SOMEONE TYPES IS TRULY GOING TO ANNOY YOU? GROW UP!

Again, this is typical American behavior. Remember, you reap what you sew, decency towards people goes a long way and that Karma is a bitch. What goes around, ALWAYS, comes back around.

tascamrd

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:37 pm

tascamrd wrote:

All hail, the self righteous know it alls have spoken.
You know this is typical American arrogant behavior towards fellow human beings.
So on one hand you have a youg kid,(pointed out by Mad Max) who is asking a few questions. Who obviously does not know a greaat deal about what he is talking about. Rather than offer words of encouragement and depart some of your wisdon on him, help him understand better what he is getting into, you all chose to insult and condemn him right off the bat.

How bout you have some decency, and maybe guide the kid along a bit. Give him someinsight. Give him a few things to think about.
With all your replies the kid probably feels retarted and wont ever post here again. Your probably thinking, "Great." Wont need to deal with these undereducated newbies who know nothing.

Well where did you all start off? I suppose you were born knowing what adats were and that bit rate was not something found in alphabetical soup?

AND SO WHAT IF THE KID HIT ALL CAPS!!! ARE YOU SUCH AN ASS THAT THE WAY SOMEONE TYPES IS TRULY GOING TO ANNOY YOU? GROW UP!

Again, this is typical American behavior. Remember, you reap what you sew, decency towards people goes a long way and that Karma is a bitch. What goes around, ALWAYS, comes back around.

tascamrd

Spoken like a true diplomat and gentleman.

It's not often that these kinds of posts get a new person to the forum to defend the helpless person who was clearly incapable of using Google or the search function here on this forum.

Thank you, oh Robin Hood of the Internet for saving this guy as my heart was genuinely weeping for him.

What's more, you did so with the panache only a non-American could possibly have done, by hiding your complete ignorance and uselessness behind baseless sociopolitical statements and yet managing to offer absolutely no help of your own. All this on your very first post - you clearly felt so impassioned by this post that you felt the need to go through a whole registration process just to defend this poor guy.

You CLEARLY have initiative - I guess that makes you other than American for certain.

Also, you are certainly correct in that we all had to start somewhere. I recall one of my first postings to a BBS where I used all caps for the entire post. Ahhh...it was a lovely day in late September. I only recall because the leaves were as red and orange as the flame that I received at that very point in time. Oh...this was in:

NINETEEN NINETY-FOUR

I say, if someone doesn't know "netiquette" by now, they're f*cked.

You see, my friendly neighborhood sack of vaginally-discharged vinegar and water, there are a million posts like this on this board alone (note: the use of the term "a million" is an exaggeration - it's something we "Americans" are prone to) and if this guy wants answers, he can do something called:

re·search [ri-surch, ree-surch] Pronunciation Key –
noun 1. diligent and systematic inquiry or investigation into a subject in order to discover or revise facts, theories, applications, etc.: recent research in medicine.
2. a particular instance or piece of research.
–verb (used without object) 3. to make researches; investigate carefully.
–verb (used with object) 4. to make an extensive investigation into: to research a matter thoroughly.

You see, the problem with some people nowadays is that instead of looking for the answer that they seek, they want instant gratification so they head towards the Internet and simply have everyone else tell them the answers. That's f*cking stupid and anyone who does this should be strung up from their testicles (or ovaries if none available). Only after an exhaustive bit of research has been done should one come with such a blanket question.

Of course, perhaps you also didn't notice the original title. Allow me to quote it for you:

Special Olympics Reject wrote:

NEED THE ELITE STUDIO PROS ON THIS ONE...PLEASE

Okay, at least he had the kindness to ask "please." But...NEED THE ELITE STUDIO PROS ON THIS ONE...

Okay, my friendly foreign flatulence, tell me what about this poster's question begs any assistance from the "Elite Studio Pros?"

My 2 year old son could answer this question.

This guy certainly doesn't need nor warrant the assistance from the Elite Studio Pros. I don't consider myself to be one of those, but I do consider myself to be a busy, working engineer which is more than I can say for most visitors of Internet forums like this (and there's no shame in being an amatuer or "newbie"). Why should I take the time out of my day to answer a post like this when:

1 - The answer he seeks is not an answer that I as a PRO would or could give
2 - He doesn't come to the table with any equity - in other words, I'm bringing my experience and time to the table. What the hell did he bring to the table other than an open-ended loaded question to which there is no possible answer that could satisfy this guy
3 - It's so much more fun to trash douche-bags like yourself.

Now, I'm not sure where this post went south (wait.....pretty much the moment the original poster hit "Submit"), but I don't see any reason to insult a country or its people based on an Internet post as retarded as this one.

So, apparently you feel morally righteous and culturally superior. You're welcome to those opinions and feelings. But, when you come into a forum waiving your lesser-than-average sized prick around telling people how f*cked up they are, you're either LOOKING for a fight (likely) or your really just that f*cking stupid (even more likely).

I don't wish to fight you - my piece has been said.

If you have additional, studio related advice to impart, please do not let me stop you.

If you have more pissing contests, please take them somewhere else. For, you see, I have a lonely, miserable existence and my only pleasures during the day besides looking at partially-clothed midget transvestite grandmothers on the Internet is to f*ck with people like you.

Please post again. You amuse me.

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:50 pm

I'll show you what bugs me about this cat, here's a post from 12/26:

mastermine wrote:

what is your price range and what are your trying to record? hiphop or bands? home studio or commercial? hobby or occupation? even though I know i can mix within protools I still choose to have a nice mixing console for more inputs,fx so its less on the cpu,converters in and out plus the look of a nice studio. Now thats just me.personal recording you might not need a board but a nice small control surface for your DAW. Now as a business, your clients will pay more for quality and looks. I just bought the tascam dm4800 and it sounds and looks amazing in my studio. im very happy. hope this helps

And here's the one we are on, started 12/30:

mastermine wrote:

im going to open a new studio and and plan to do rap rnb and bands. im using nuendo now and will be adding protools to the set up. IM GETTING A U87 MIC WITH A NEVE1073 PRE AND A 1176 COMPRESSER WITH A ROSETTA 200. THE PROBLEM IM HAVING IS WHAT MIXING BOARD SHOULD i GET? I HAD PLANS TO GET THE NEW TASCAM DM4800 BUT PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME NO. IM GOING TO HAVE THE QUALITY BUT STILL NEED THE LOOK. I KNOW NOW A DAYS PEOPLE MIX WITHIN PROTOOLS AND NUENDO WITH NO BOARD. MY STUDIO NEEDS TO LOOK NICE. THE TASCAM WILL DO THE JOB I THINK. ANY SUGGESTIONS ON A BOARD TO HELP THE STUDIO? WILL THE BOARD MESS UP MY SIGNAL PATH OF ALL THE HIGH END GEAR AND MAKE THE SOUND BAD? I HAVE 3500 TO SPEND ON A NICE BOARD. CAN SOME ONE HELP. THANKS

Now,
1) Yes, we like to poke at people that type in all caps - this is nothing new, it happens on forums all over the world (and I don't know about you but it is also hard as hell to read, especially if I've forgotten my glasses).

2) Some of us also like to comment on the lack of netiquette regarding double posts - all that does is bump the current topics and take up space.

3) When someone jumps on a forum and talks like a pro - telling people that they have this gear or that, it looks great in their place, and they are very happy with it, then come back 4 or 5 days later and post that they do not in fact own said gear, you get to wondering about their motivation and credibility, do you not?

Imagine, if I were to go on a Ford website and start talking about the new Mustang and how cool my ground effects and mag wheels look, and how the motor purrs, and that I've been racin' guys for pink slips - then a few days later I repost and say I was going to get one but I've been talked out of it, so can someone help me select a car that looks nice and purrs like a kitten, like the one I previously told folks I had, I'd look pretty silly, wouldn't I?

>Edited for emphasis!

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:05 pm

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:04 pm

schizojames wrote:

This is what happens when I get bored and over caffeinated.

BTW James -
I don't think I've ever said this but I love your website and think your studio looks like the friggin bomb!
I'd love to go to work every day in a place like that!

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:59 pm

Don't feel too bad about all of these responses mastermine as I received a similar welcomed and amount of responses when I first fell into this site. Since then, not only has everyone realized that I am a screwy kook, most folks realized that I in a highly experienced and technically knowledgeable kook.

I think one of the best things about this Pro audio forum is the vast amount of wonderful folks and information along with great humor you will find here. I have found most everybody here to be quite kind if not somewhat confused at times since many of us have been doing this way too long! We get these questions and go like well,.... DUH what the heck is this guy thinking?!?! And so on. Especially if you have been in the studio all day or just came back from a long on location in remote, we are already bleary-eyed, drunk and stoned and just sat down to relax and check our e-mail. That's when we think it's time to get tough.

I think you have heard enough here @ Recording.org, to have realized that the fine microphone, preamp and 1176 are the quality components that are highly coveted and loved by us all. Great choice! Console dilemma is one of an impressive looking device you can afford that will make people go "WOW" when they see it. Unfortunately, like many of the other posters have indicated, like myself, I had to completely restore a 36 input, 30-year-old Neve console. No easy task. The digital console thing, that TASCAM digital console is actually quite impressive. I used its predecessor at a friend's place and found it quite nice. You're going to need in all probability, more than a single microphone input. In that respect, any of those digital audio consoles, not control surfaces like the Mackie, will generally offer at least 8 or more microphone inputs if so needed. And because these are newer devices, I think you'll find their sonic character to be quite usable under most normal use applications. But special U87 input section will of course be your primary vocal and overdub use input Channel to your digital recorder be it computer or standalone device.

My recommendation for you used to stay away from any old analog consoles, unless you are an expert technician. The newer digital consoles will integrate better into your digital workflow for what you are doing which is mostly sample loop based production. I need all 36 inputs of microphones simultaneously at times for live recording. You're not doing that so, you need something functional that looks good. And I think your choice of the TASCAM ain't a bad choice for you. If you have the talent, those tools will work just fine.

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