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anyone know of any out there that are worth a shot? just dont really have the money for the antares package right now and wanted to experiment with something similar first. let me know!! thanks
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REAtune, included in Reaper's download packet, is decent. I've used it once before and I, almost categorically, don't use tuning products.

I've never found Antares Auto-Tune to be useful. Many folks on this 'board would say it's been outmoded by Waves' or Melodyne's plug-ins.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:44 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't care much for Auto-Tune either. It sounds very colored to me. I like using GSnap when I have to.

http://www.gvst.co.uk/gsnap.htm

It's free, light on resources, and very transparent. A lot of people think it's better than Auto-tune. Even when I do use these types of things, I usually only draw them in during the really off parts and drop them out immediately after. Keeps things sounding more natural.

This post has been corrected... see below. Smile


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I think you mean GSnap: http://www.gvst.co.uk/gsnap.htm
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thanks guys, i dl gsnap onto my computer and copied this into my proper vst folder. For some reason, i cant get this thing to show up in pro tools. im running le 7.3....any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:37 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thats not going to work: pro-tools doesn't support VST plug-ins.

You either need to find a suitable RTAS plug, or look for a wrapper that will allow you to use VSTs.
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It's hard enough to edit a vocal cleanly with AT or Melodyne, even after you know what you're doing. I tried G-Snap and couldn't really make it work well. Maybe I'm just used to the other two.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I must be out of touch, I thought Autotune was pretty good. I've been using version 3 for the last 6 years. In just a few seconds I can open it up, set the key, and choose a very slow attack so it only fixes the long notes that tend to drift. The only downside I thought was that it is very resource heavy.

Can anyone explain why it sounds colored, I don't remember hearing it change the tone at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:14 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I don't know about it coloring the audio so much as introducing artifacts, even on the simplest vocals. It's always been a pain to have to go through and painstakingly comb through the file to make sure it's clean. Ugh. I avoid it like the plague. I'll take a cleanly sung, slightly pitchy vocal any day.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Weasel9992 wrote:
I don't know about it coloring the audio so much as introducing artifacts, even on the simplest vocals. It's always been a pain to have to go through and painstakingly comb through the file to make sure it's clean. Ugh. I avoid it like the plague. I'll take a cleanly sung, slightly pitchy vocal any day.

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well put man........i was just trying to mess around with some new tools.
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Get a hammer and 3 planks of wood. Maybe a few nails...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

MarkG wrote:
Can anyone explain why it sounds colored, I don't remember hearing it change the tone at all.


Hi,
It's just my opinion that it sounds a bit colored... or has artifacts. The coloration is like a barely audible digital breakup, almost like a tremolo effect set to square wave with the speed cranked. Obviously it's much more subtle than that, but that's what I hear when it's processing. Who knows, I could be totally insane and making this up but I really think I hear a difference in GSnap, I want to say it sounds "smoother" to me maybe? But I'm not a hater by any stretch. Smile
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Thats not going to work: pro-tools doesn't support VST plug-ins.

You either need to find a suitable RTAS plug, or look for a wrapper that will allow you to use VSTs.


Has anyone used FxExpansion RTAS wrapper with Gsnap? I was thinking about getting the wrapper, but wasn't sure if I would be able to route a MIDI steam and and audio stream to it in Pro Tools.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:00 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I would definitaly agree that the default setting on autotune is not good. Maybe I don't hear the problems because I use a very "soft" setting, only correcting notes that are held out and drifting.

I also work with local acts here, so the chances of getting a good vocal are slim.
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