mastering comes at differnt levels

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:02 am

Hello guys im new to mastering myself, and i did a decent job on a few house tracks but theres a subtle difference in volume between some of them after i burn them to cd. How do i get them all together at the same level so the project sounds more unified? Im mastering in pro tools

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:24 am

ive always kind of used this basic method:

http://www.har-bal.com/mastering_process.php

sort of follow that as far as eq and multiband compressing goes and you get a decent upgrade from the mix IMO <shrug>

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:57 am

thanks man nice link

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:54 am

Three words -

Consistent monitoring levels

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:35 pm

Three more words. You're doing it.

Oh? Make that four words. You're doing it wrong.

Mastering is not an automatic process. Mastering engineers don't press a button and sit back and wait for their ducks to all line up. They're engineers and want to. And it's not all plug-ins. Many mastering engineers also utilize analog components because they really can't be replaced.

Every mastering engineer tweaks the level of each track for a consistent feel. Every song cannot be the same level as the next unless its death metal. You have to make manual adjustments. WHAT A CONCEPT! WHAT A GREAT IDEA! DON'T TELL ANYBODY ABOUT THIS OR THEY'LL ALL WANT TO DO IT.

Doing things automatically in a manual way
Ms. Remy Ann David

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:37 pm

some people like to have some kind of a baseline to work with since they otherwise have not a clue of what they are even trying to accomplish.

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:33 pm

"since they otherwise have not a clue of what they are even trying to accomplish."

What a way to run a railroad. Mastering without knowing what you're even aiming for or trying to achieve. You can't build a boat if you don't know what water is.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:46 am

michjassir wrote:

Hello guys I'm new to mastering myself, and i did a decent job on a few house tracks but theres a subtle difference in volume between some of them after i burn them to cd. How do i get them all together at the same level so the project sounds more unified? Im mastering in pro tools

It is partly in the level of experience you have doing this and as someone else mentioned consistent monitoring levels. Once I set the volume control on my DAC-1 I try hard never to touch it throughout the mastering process if I do I lose my benchmark.

Good articles on mastering at www.digido.com. Especially read the one on monitor levels and the K system.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:56 am

Codemonkey wrote:

"since they otherwise have not a clue of what they are even trying to accomplish."

What a way to run a railroad. Mastering without knowing what you're even aiming for or trying to achieve. You can't build a boat if you don't know what water is.

as if the creative process starts only from education? maybe i should have said "trying to accomplish something that sounds better, based on relative things i've heard of doing....eq/multiband compressing...." - maybe that is ambiguous enough not to catch any flack...

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:35 am

It's that freakin' Hairball again. You can't see good sound. And, the multiband comp? Do a search and seek opinions on that. No doubt it can be a useful tool though, I'm not sure I would ever use one.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:41 am

anything that makes my mixes sound better is worth spending time on...whether its traditionally used/correct/preferred, i dont have a clue. but only a fool would not explore things that has already shown to improve things...

theres a million different ways to do any step of the process from start to finish and the only way to get experience is to use as many things/concepts you come across, no matter how foggy the concept is initially.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:08 pm

I am in a similar situation as you, fairly new to mastering. I realize you can't "see" good sound, but I think opening all of the files and looking at them can at least give a head start on which songs look like they might need work.

I also would not be afraid to try multiband compression. I know it gets a bad rap here, but it seems like most of the people who don't like it have the tools to master properly.
I completely agree that a song recorded right and professionally mastered without multiband compression sounds better. But if your mixes are only average (like mine) I would use every tool available to get an advantage.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:29 pm

Take a commercial release of something that you think sounds particularly good and import it into Hairball. Does it LOOK harmonically balanced? I can think of a number of recordings that would "look" bottom or top heavy depending on the part of the song.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:30 pm

That's a pretty good shout. I used it when I had a live vocal recording (6 inches from mic to face) and consequently there was a lot of breath noise. Multiband compressor made the best of a bad situation.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:04 pm

hueseph wrote:

Take a commercial release of something that you think sounds particularly good and import it into Hairball. Does it LOOK harmonically balanced? I can think of a number of recordings that would "look" bottom or top heavy depending on the part of the song.

That is a geat point, but the OP was refering to making his CD more unified. I was thinking he should look at the relationship between his own stuff, not compare them to other material. Although, comparing your own waveforms to others could be somewhat useful. I just wouldn't make a decision based solely on a waveform.

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