Has anybody ever heard of this vocal issue im having??? PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!

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  1. Ellmatiq Records

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    I have recorded many tracks but havent had a problem like this until now.
    When i record my vocals in my studio, they sound great, on my computer (desktop) and on my Studio Speakers. it also sounds great in my car. But when i play them back on my Mac book or our local radio station, we cant hear the vocals. does anybody know an easy fix for this problem????
    Here is a track i just uploaded to youtube. Let me know what you think the problem with my VOCALS are.
    Ellmatiq P-tro - Not A Little But A Lot - (High On Lyfe LEAK) 4/20/12 - YouTube
    PLEASE EMAIL ME AT ellmatiq420@yahoo.com or reply to this thread...
     
  2. bigtree

    bigtree musician, mixer, music producer Has Studio Services

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    The vocals are out of phase. Panned wide for an effect but.... , it sounds great in stereo but if the sound source isn't playing it back like your source is, or is being summed mono, its going to cancel the vocals like you are hearing now. Always check your vocals ( all stereo tracks) in mono. If it sounds right in mono, it will definitely sound right in stereo. The trick is learning how to get that wide sound you want without phase cancellation. smoke

    Cheers!

    P.S.

    If you can't do this in you DAW, I highly recommend a monitor control system that allows you to audition music in mono.
     
  3. bouldersound

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    The polarity of the vocal track is inverted on one side. It was either copied/inverted or a stereo widener was applied and turned all the way up. Go back to the mix and take off the effect or delete the copy and pan the original as desired.
     
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    bigtree musician, mixer, music producer Has Studio Services

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    Ya, inverted is more like it. But that's what those wideners do yes?

    Its been a while since I used one of those plug-ins for the vary same reason. You can do wonders with some short stereo echo. How do you widen tracks, anyone?
     
  5. bouldersound

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    Double track.
     
  6. Davedog

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    Yep. The Macbook is dual mono. As are most radio broadcasts. So an inverted widener or perhaps when you burned a copy you burned it to dual mono and not stereo interleaved. And this is what cha get.
     
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    I'm betting he used a plug-in for this.

    I like the tunes flow. A more centered Vocal will be an improvement IMO.
     
  8. bouldersound

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    They have two speakers but a mono signal? What a ripoff! On the bright side it's a vindication for the mono compatibility camp.

    All the major FM stations around here are stereo.

    The music is stereo and remains present when you sum L+R but the vocals completely disappear, at least they do when you correct the L/R imbalance present on the YouTube example. A dual mono file would not change when summed as this one does, or everything would cancel out rather than just the vocals if one side had been inverted.
     
  9. Davedog

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    I wasnt 'assuming' FM airplay as he said "local". The 'widener' application is the only thing that would be inverted in this case, and the dual mono burn would tend to cancel just those elements in a mono feed. I think everything thing else is probably normal stereo applications and in phase. I didnt hear anything else leave when I summed it either, just the vocals. So, in essence, I am agreeing with your original assessment.
     
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    Yeah, with local radio, even FM, it's a crapshoot what they'll do to your audio. Our local "publicly funded" station doesn't have a particularly high technical standard.
     
  11. bigtree

    bigtree musician, mixer, music producer Has Studio Services

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    Video killed the radio and everything real about it.
     
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    bigtree musician, mixer, music producer Has Studio Services

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    I used to pay attention to how a mix sounded even in mall central sound systems. I don't miss AM radio but you still have to take it all into consideration.We have some radio stations here that I cannot figure out what they are doing to the sound. Some songs, the bass is so heavy I keep checking to see in my kids have messed with the levels. And I love bass but I can barely enjoy the station.
     
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    CBS radio just put a new news station on the air here in Washington DC. They are actually trying to play commercials, that somewhere within their production facility, something is out of phase. That's because the station has switched off their stereo pilot in favor of spoken word FM mono. So they have commercials playing that have background music and you can't really hear the announcer, LMAO. And their chief engineer is maintaining 8 other FM stations that are also owned by CBS here in Washington DC. Their microphone processing is even awful. CBS radio, go figure? I'm so glad I came from NBC.

    Mono makes sense of stereo.
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     

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