MIX or REMIX Contest Idea's

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  1. bigtree

    bigtree musician, mixer, producer Moderator Has Studio Services

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    Please discuss how we can do a MIX or REMIX contest.
    Prize: I'm giving away a matched pair of Mojave MA 100 SP.

    What is your idea of a good MIX Contest?
    What is your idea of a good REMIX Contest?


    We need a song and some ideas.


    Please use the Like vote to help us all fine tune this.
     
  2. AKAmusic

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    what kind of music??? A remix or a mix ?
     
  3. bigtree

    bigtree musician, mixer, producer Moderator Has Studio Services

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    I'm leaving this one up the the majority to figure it all out. When it looks like we have it ready, I'll kick it off.
     
  4. Kruddler

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    One suggestion: provide a midi version of the song to be remixed. That will allow people with any DAW to get started quickly without having to sit there and transcribe every note. It will also standardise the song so people aren't getting marked down for bad playing etc.

    I hope I understand what a remix is.
     
  5. hueseph

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    Remix definitely implies some sort of looping and manipulating of midi. I'm not a big fan of this type of thing nor am I particularly good at it but I would be willing to give it a shot for that kind of prize.
     
  6. bigtree

    bigtree musician, mixer, producer Moderator Has Studio Services

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    No sweat, REMIX seemed to be a big interest but I'm not set on either. We can change this, however, a remix adds modern spice to any song. It makes way for more flexibility that could really take a song to a new level. Nothing is set in stone though.

    I'll change the title to Mix or Remix. The majority on this wins. We're going to need a song too!

    It is now MIX or REMIX!
     
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    bigtree musician, mixer, producer Moderator Has Studio Services

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    Actually, I'm thinking this doesn't have to be either. Mix or Remix.
    We need a song and whomever does the best thing on it, Wins The Mojave's! How does this sound?
     
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    I think "best song" should be made as clear as possible in advance. Whichever way it goes, mix or remix or both, how about an evaluation matrix that clearly lays out the criteria? i.e. Originality: 10 points; Recording quality: 15 points; etc. etc.. That way people know exactly what they are being judged on, and how important each of those criteria are so that they can make strategic decisions about what to focus on (not to mention that those with terrible gear or some other weakness then understand what they have to do to make up for it in other categories and not get discouraged). There will always be subjectivity obviously, but the more you minimize it, the happier people will be IMO.

    When it comes to judging, any chance we could bring in some outside talent? There are enough pros around here with enough connections in the industry, it must be possible. A judging panel of 3 outside experts would be fun, and a way to engage with the broader community that also avoids the perception of bias (not that there was bias last time, I'm just saying).

    That's my 2 cents (CDN) / 2.06 cents (USD) :tongue:
     
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    To me mix or remix is the same... a mixer doing his thing with a song... what ever his "thing" is. ;-)

    So we could pick a song over at ccmixter or perhaps pick 5 or 10 of the prior contest songs and vote on a final for doing the mix on? How does that sound?

    Even better, you pick something you already have good stems on and we go for it. It might even be fun to actually create something that is kind of lackluster so it can be polished into a etude of perfection? ;-)
     
  10. JohnTodd

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    I don't think recording quality should count more than originality...it biases the contest towards the pros who already have lots of great gear and a great room. Give us juniors a fighting chance.
    I like the "polish" idea.
     
  11. bigtree

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    exactly John
     
  12. bigtree

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    Thanks for the suggestion here but we don't want these complicated. No outsiders as suggested either. More complicated and not necessary at all. All my contest are bias for good reason. They are my contests! Its how they all say BS free and we are able to do these over and over.
     
  13. bigtree

    bigtree musician, mixer, producer Moderator Has Studio Services

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    I agree. I "tunes" direction on all points.

    My gut tells me the track should be something very simple with good bones to it. This leave the rest to the creative in us. There are many possibilities.
     
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    I'd love to have mine remixed; it would be a great learning experience for us all.
     
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    I think I wasn't clear. I wasn't making suggestions about what the criteria should be, or how much they count for, just that it helps to know what they are (whatever they are).
     
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    Chris, I think this is a slightly misguided contest idea? The reason for me saying this is that a great mix with lousy musicians still makes for a lousy mix. However, a lousy mix with great musicians could be misconscrewed as a great mix. There could be one caveat however and that would be to supply the actual audio files for folks to mix and/or remix. I personally will not engage in any contests myself as I've had a great career & all of the gear I have ever wanted/obtained. Sure, I have lousy A/D converters but I care not because they are perfectly adequate in a lovely mediocre way. I also don't believe MIDI and/or loops should be permitted. Playing computer games (as in MIDI & loops) teaches one off thing about the ART of recording. One must learn how to walk before one learns how to run. However my suggestion also poses a different set of problems. If already supplying people with audio tracks, they are not recording anything. If they don't have good musicians to work with, it doesn't matter how good they are at recording. This is certainly a double-edged figure of 8 problem. About this contest concept idea all I can say is hmmmmm. Which then makes me want to find the plug-in to remove that.

    This is a tough one
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     
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    Just to clarify: a remix has changed in meaning in the past few years. Remix implies manipulation of loops and incorporating midi. I'm not saying I'm for that sort of thing but when someone reads "remix" this is what they are thinking. That is, something along the lines of a mash up but different. Think Timbaland. Or think of any remixed version of a classic song that you now hate because of the remix. Some remixes don't sound even remotely like the original song. As has been suggested, they can be in a completely different key or for that matter the "producer" may have edited and transposed individual notes of a particular instrument to create something completely different than the original. Personally, I think this would be a step down for RO.

    I just think it needs to be clarified exactly what kind of mix project this is if it is NOT a remix project.

    Perhaps someone can create a bed track with a base motif which must be used. Instruments or vocals/effects added as the participant sees fit. At least one audio track added using a microphone.

    Bad gear isn't always a detriment. Sometimes you can use bad sounding gear to great effect. Otherwise distorted guitars never would have become popular.
     
  18. Kruddler

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    Lets not forget the whole point of this forum. Recording arts/engineers have to do the best with what they've got. Why does someone jump on this forum? At least partly to make their dollar stretch as far as it will go toward creating the best possible sound. I just don't buy the old "Hardcore" genre mentality of saying "We embrace the lo-fi sound because our artists aren't part of the capitalist machine that produces polished production". The truth is that these days, with a couple of Gs, you can put together a rig that will allow you to make very high quality music again and again. And, that's what this forum is all about, putting those couple of Gs in the right spot to get the best result. If everyone had $50,000 to spend on equipment, this forum wouldn't be necessary because everyone would just go out and buy the most expensive stuff.

    Conversely, just because you have the best equipment, doesn't mean you have the talent to make something sound good. Talent and skill at picking the right tools for the right job is what sound engineering is all about.
     
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    Strange as it is $50gs is still in the realm of entry level. I mean I could think of a hand full of mics and a small mixer that would take that up easily. But, yeah. Point taken.
     
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    Good point Jeemy - I'm still a little south of that number, but for my time/$, (hope) I am beyond entry.
    Still... every day shows me how far I still have to go.

    I think we need some ground rules:

    1. Is it a MIX, or a REMIX? To me, a MIX would be a working of *only* various tracks/stems, as you see fit. A REMIX would include things like MIDI, samples, and anything else *added*.
    I like the idea of both (electronica/DJ *is* music too, though I count myself in the old school), but we should be clear about which category each contest contains.

    2. What effects are allowed? Since autotune / key change / tempo has been mentioned... are these normal MIX effects or part of a REMIX?

    Don't be afraid to do both. I don't think REMIXes should *not* be compared to MIXes, but maybe a prize for each? In general, outboard gear for the recording/mix contests, while software for the mix/remix contests?
     
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