small condenser mics on snare?

Discussion in 'Home Recording Forum' started by hathabr, Apr 2, 2001.

  1. hathabr

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    I was thinking of trying my overhead Octava MC012 on my snare (since it sounds great as an overhead). I see on their web site that it's SPL @ 1 Khz is >140dB. If I close-mike it, that level limitation should be fine, right?

    Thanks!
     
  2. markrpaulson

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    Go for it. I used to use a matched pair of A.T. 4041's for overheads, until one day I decided to do overheads in mono and use a 4041 for snare. I've used it on every snare since. I go about 4 inches off, pointed toward the center and angled away from the hat (otherwise it'll pick it up way too much).
     
  3. hathabr

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    Great!

    I might regret that I bought the cheaper version from Guitar Center that only came with one head (cardoid)- should I take it back and get the multiple heads for the extra money (hypercardoid, cardoid, omni) at another $100 per mic for the two other heads?
    Instead of $149 for each mic, it would be either $249, or $299, I believe. Usefulness??

    Thoughts on having the omni and hypercardoid for this mic?

    Thanks!!
     
  4. Wayne Butler

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    The MXL 603 is a good alternate small condensor. I'm using one for pop, country, CCM. Haven't tried it on rock yet. Can be tricky between hi-hat and bass drum leakage, but worth the extra effort for me. :D

    Wayne
     
  5. hargerst

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    You might like the MC012 hypercardioid head for snare, since it'll reject the hats a little better. The 603S would also work pretty good on snare, but it's a wider pattern.
     
  6. hathabr

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    Thanks for the input!
    Harvey,good point - I'll have to give that some serious thought. Maybe I'll just have to buy another one, instead of taking them back and exchanging with the mutiple capsule version! Hmmm...
     
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    Originally posted by Cymbals:
    I might regret that I bought the cheaper version from Guitar Center that only came with one head (cardoid)- should I take it back and get the multiple heads for the extra money (hypercardoid, cardoid, omni) at another $100 per mic for the two other heads?
    Instead of $149 for each mic, it would be either $249, or $299, I believe. Usefulness??

    Thoughts on having the omni and hypercardoid for this mic?
    I should also point out that for many situation, I really like omnis on the drum overheads, so all 3 capsules have their usefulness.
     
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  8. Originally posted by Cymbals:
    I was thinking of trying my overhead Octava MC012 on my snare (since it sounds great as an overhead).

    I personally didn't like the MC012 as a snare drum mic; there wasn't much upper midrange presence and attack (to my ears), which is I like about the Shure SM98, my current fave snare mic.

    But, it's been a while since I've tried it in that application, so who knows.

    mb
     
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  9. hargerst

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    Originally posted by Matthew J Barnhart:
    I personally didn't like the MC012 as a snare drum mic; there wasn't much upper midrange presence and attack (to my ears), which is I like about the Shure SM98, my current fave snare mic.

    But, it's been a while since I've tried it in that application, so who knows.

    mb
    To a large extent, I think it depends on the player, the snare, and the song. At my studio, we pretty much stay with the SM57 or the Beyer M201, but that could easily get thrown out the window, depending on the 3 things above. Same situation with 2 mics on the snare - it depends. I guess our basic philosophy is: see what it needs, and don't rule out anything at first. Then you start to narrow it down.
     
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  10. I've gotten great results from a Shure SM98 on snare. There are myriad other small condenser-on-a-stick drum mics out there. The cool thing is the ability to vary placement without getting in the drummer's way (or getting the mic beat to hell). I've not used the Otava mics, but Harvey really likes them, and I trust his ears. ;)
     
  11. hathabr

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    Cool! I am no longer afraid of injuring my new mic then! <g>

    I'll be giving it a try this weekend - I totally re-did my DAW setup this week, completing it last night! A lot of little things made a BIG difference.

    Thanks for everyone's input!!

    ps: feel welcome to post more opinions, this is not an intent to kill this thread.
     
  12. hathabr

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    Any places online to buy Beyer mics?
     
  13. Wayne Butler

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    <Any places online to buy Beyer mics?
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    Try FullCompass.com. Chris Bengry. I got 2 M500's and a M160 from him. Which one's are you looking for?

    Wayne
     
  14. hathabr

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    Maybe the M201's that Harvey was talking about. I also have to check out the Shure SM98's that were mentioned.
    My local GC might have the SM98.

    Thanks!

    Originally posted by YBStudios:
    <Any places online to buy Beyer mics?
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    Try FullCompass.com. Chris Bengry. I got 2 M500's and a M160 from him. Which one's are you looking for?

    Wayne
     
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  15. hathabr

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    Originally posted by hargerst:
    [I should also point out that for many situation, I really like omnis on the drum overheads, so all 3 capsules have their usefulness.[/B]


    Harvey, I did take back the single capsule ones, and got the 3-capsule version. :( I'm very tempted to exchange it, but not entirely sure. I guess it would only matter if I re-sold it ever (for some strange reason ).
    :eek:
     
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