Small Studio Build Journey

Discussion in 'Studio Construction & Acoustics Forum' started by vibrations1951, Jan 1, 2012.

  1. vibrations1951

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    Well this is not going to be as comprehensive or impressive as Max’s Saga but I figured I should catalog it just the same. I started my roughly 1200 square foot build in the spring of 2008 after lots of book and forum reading, a fair amount of construction experience and thinking I could do this without professional plans. Well about 2 years ago I finally smartened up (very slow learner). I contacted Rod Gervais and he agreed to take my project on even though he would have laid it out way different than what I did. Oh well, one of a long line of AFOFG’s (Another F’n Opportunity For Growth!).

    The second story layout is for our personal use but may be openned up for musicians as needed. I may even do some tracking up there. I intend to continue this thread from time to time, sifting through my pictures and trying to give a rough idea of my experience from beginnig to now. Wish me luck trying to figure out how to size and list my pix.
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    Looking forward to how it all goes!
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    It would be interesting to see your current floor plan versus what Rod might have or is suggesting now.

    Also, to what extent you had this project, the pictures, and then at what point you realized you may be in over your head.

    Everyone who is involved in this aspect of acoustics understands whole-heartedly how it can become over-sized...Biggie sized as McDonald's would request:0

    But the true test of a man is when he recognizes just how complex a project can be, how difficult learning seven different crafts will be and to acknowledge...I need help :)


    You have made the right choice...we just want to get caught up...
  4. vibrations1951

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    floor plans

    Thanks guys. I will try what you suggested Space. I like the idea. It's going to take a little bit to gather my thoughts about how to start. My biggest challenge right now is posting pix. I've tried to follow the FAQ and Forum Actions for both posting directly and building an album to refer to but it seems I run out of "assets" rapidly. I will put up what I can. Any suggestions would be appreciated. OK here goes:

    pnb plan.jpg
    This was my second or third "serious floor plan"
    The redish pink lines represent the existing house attachment with an added on space at the top of the plan for a very small kitchenette and bathroom. The initial red rectangle was my first recording space I used for a couple of years until my incredibly generous wife said I should go for it with a "real studio" (She has had many second thoughts since and so have I! But she is still my strongest supporter...boy am I lucky!)

    I had read Rod's book, Philip Newell, and many others through Amazon etc. I had been a frequent reader of this forum, John Sayers and others. I thought that with my adequate construction experience I could save lots of money planning and building myself. Wrong! I visited the local college (125 miles away)with my first sketch that was barely loosely incorporating built in bass traps in the corners, the corner control room (seen on Sayer's site-Ithought it would save space) and incorporating my interpretations of room ratio considerations. I was lost and thought the school could help. Wrong, wrong wrong!
    They thought my plan looked cool and only suggested using the room corners for tracking and re-amping guitar cabs. Their studio was a near rectangle with a very small drum room (kit barely fit), linoleum floor and acoustical tiled, slightly vaulted ceiling and a rug area in one corner. They did have what seemed to be a nice post production mixing room.

    Well I had gathered that if I could get enough ground depth I could put my wife's web store above the studio and still get my desired finished floor 12-14' ceiling height. Well of course the store closed shortly after the build was well underway. Too late to expand my footprint and eliminate the potential noise inducing floor above! Big mistake...too late.

    Still convinced I could cut corners and save money I figured that I would just immitate JS's corner control room design, just cut the dimensions down a bit...how could that hurt right? I have always been ennamoured by the glamour of his designs but I was focusing on glitz too much and not enough on the basics. No negative meant towards John. I'm talking about my focus and process. He and I skyped a bit for a while and he helped a lot for where I was at at the time. Super guy and very generous. Many thanks John.

    Here's the second floor and sectional plans as well:

    2nd story.JPG Sectional Elevation.JPG


    Looks like I've got a start here. Hope it's not just rambles. Gotta get to the day job, it pays the bills.

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  5. Space

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    GIMP - Downloads

    Then use Gimp to save the pix in PNG format. That should shave tons off the size..., maybe GIF, but I prefer png.
  6. vibrations1951

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    Final studio plan

    Final Floor Plan.jpg
    Rod gave me permission to post this one. I'm stil not sure what I am doing with images but I'll keep trying.

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  7. MadMax

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    What I did with images was to put them on another site and link to them by using the html code of (remove the dashes):
    <-img->http://yourwebhost/somefolder/img.jpg-<-/img->

    That code then becomes a link out to your own site that can host the images in full res.

    Some webhosting services such as blogs, automatically create a smaller preview that will link to the full res, or you can resize the images and link to the resized image.

    While I didn't mind uploading images to RO, it just wasn't feasible given the number of images I was uploading with the 4 image limit of RO. (Sometimes I had as many as a dozen images to upload.)

    Generally, your studio is going to need a domain anyway, so just add it in to your site... and your clients will appreciate the ability to get insight into the studio!

    My humble $.02 worth of noise
  8. bigtree

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    Upload images using Go Advanced option

    It would be a benefit to everyone if we can keep images like these on our server instead of a host that may expire over time. Are you all still having trouble adding images? I should look into this for us if need be. Maybe I need to change some preferences for you. Are you doing this?

    The best way to upload images is in Go Advanced . Select Attachment (paperclip icon) and upload images to your folder, see Add Files ( Upload Files from your Computer | Website) or below Select Files from your browser. These links give the option to choose a file being uploaded via a website or browser. It works great!
    You can then store all your images there, and use them in other posts too.

    To put the images in context, where ever you cursor is in a sentence is where the image will be placed.

    See Insert Inline and Done to complete the process.

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    The width size could be larger but our current software requires a one size fits all so images fit into our articles without upsetting the overall design of our website.
    If we need more width than 600 pixels: If you have the ability to rotate your image before uploading it to RO, that gets you by this obstacle.

    Here is what a registered member can do:

    [TABLE="class: tborder, width: 90%, align: center"]
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    Not sure if this helps:
    http://recording.org/faq.php?faq=vb3_reading_posting#faq_vb3_attachments
  9. bigtree

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    I just adjusted the file size limit to 2048000 bytes per image
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    Adjusted album size to 5120000 bytes.

    We compress images on the server side so a 1 meg image would be compressed to around 100k . This should give everyone a lot more space now. Please try this and let me know how it works..
  11. vibrations1951

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    Thanks much. I'm under the gun right now but will get back asap.
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    awsome stuff man! Looking sweet so far! we undestimated the amount if stuff we'd be storing in my studio, which was one of the biggest mistakes. cleaning supplies, stands, gobos, stuff like that. i wish we would've built in some sort storage closet. It's cool that your working plans consider it.
  13. vibrations1951

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    I'm in PIX Hell! Help!

    Bigtree. You wrote:


    I tried this and no luck. I get the message that I have a total 104.2 KB of attachments with a quota of 117 .2 KB maximum. what am I doing wrong? Can you guide me in tiny babysteps so I can get this right?

    Thanks
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    Stand by...
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    Try again.
  16. vibrations1951

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    Okay!thumb Upload worked but now I can't find
    to get the picture into the post.:confused:


    That's a picture of The contractor/friend Mark checking to see if where we hit ledge gave us the desired 14' ceiling. We ended up with about 13'6" AFF. Lucky on that one. As youcan see, no options for blasting!

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  17. bigtree

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    right on. I needed to rebuild the registered members file size. This fixed it for everyone. .: smoke

    Easy,

    To attach images in a post

    1. Go Advanced> and you have Selected the paperclip Attachment icon in the editor and uploaded an image,
    2. Drag a previously uploaded files to the Attachment box (bottom). Or, if you just uploaded a new image it should be in there already.
    3. Insert Inline and Done!


    NOTE: where your cursor is in the content is where there image will be placed.

    like here:

    wide3.jpg

    NOTE: by double clicking the image you can add a title and description the the image. You can also select the size of the image from a Thumbnail to full size.
  18. vibrations1951

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    So it did...my bad.

    I'll try some more.

    The first picture shows the footer, the 3/4 stone I used for leveling, drainage etc as well as the ICF blocks we used for outer walls.
    If you look closely at the house wall, I hand pick-axed the middle open bay under the house to gain a little space (Machine room, storage). Kmetal, thanks for the kudos on storage space but I really wish I had planned or was able to have more!

    The open bay to the right of this is the 4' openning for a stair case up to the chill space in the house proper. To the right of that outside I added a 6'x13' kitchenette/bathroom area accessed to the right and top of the stairs . Tight but functional.

    I would not suggest trying to save money like I did on the chases using White PVC. I've created tons of headaches now that I have to figure out how to connect to boxes using approved grey electrical conduit. Besides this, the sweeps in the electrical conduit would have made wire pulls much easier! Duh!

    It really is wise to bite the bullet and spend the money on the proper products. Time and time again I learned that constructing a proper studio depends upon every little detail done right for the whole system to work. It will mean more time and expense...but this should not...I say should not....again....SHOULD NOT be avoided! Don't do what I did! ("Okay dad" right.)

    If you look realy close at the chase picture you will see black in-line connectors. They are lined up where the control room slab ends and the other slabs come to. These are rubber sleeves that I ground down a bit to make them more pliable and flank less sound. I know my layout is a bit unruley but I was trying to make runs of differing LV circuits spaced enough to cut down on cross talk etc. Also, I wanted to cut transmission of sound if possible as well with bends.

    The picture of the maintracking room slab shows Randy putting in an expansion line. I was going to cut the slabs there originally and make 2 rooms. I'm so grateful for this forum and Rod's advice that led me last minute, night before the pour, to make it one room. Some how, regardless of how much construction I've done over the years (lots!) I was in fantasy land when conceptualizing my space and usage. I consistently overestimated the size despite all reality. Must be big studio lust or something, or just plain crazy probably. But I do see others here and on other forums getting caught up on the same kinds of delusions. If you look at my floor plan you can see the entrance area from the house is so small I could never get any console or desk through there!

    It may not be readily apparent but I raised the control room slab 6" above the rest. Still, Rod had not been hired but was generous with advice and questioned my choice. I was being so grandiose and feeling like I would have "a better vantage point, blah blah" (I think I have power issues!). Anyway, once I commissioned Rod, he spent a lot of time with me trying to work with that mess I created. I was in denial la la land, aware of but not worrying about considerations of doorways, room transitions, seals etc. Day of recconing does come!

    And as I have mentioned already I believe, the overall layout of a corner control room design was not my best choice for this space. Thanks so much to Rod for being willing to take me on and make the most of what I handed him so late in the game. Don't do what I did, no matter what sized studio you want, get help from a pro like Rod that comes with a proven track record. The forum is indespensable and so are books and all the other info one can gather, but then, please don't think you can do it alone.

    The vast experience and knowledge of someone like Rod is probably the wisest investment you can make! I've learned that the more I know the less I know and the bigger mess I can get myself into!

    OK enough rants for now and no, Rod is not bestowing gratuities upon me for singing his praises. I'm just so excited to be working with someone of such high standards and caliber. My build may be small but it's gonna be one great space to record and mix in someday. My dream "retirement"

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  19. vibrations1951

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    Thanks Bigtree. So why do the pix I posted show up as thumbnails as opposed to the way yours look? Also, should I be trying to shrink my photos before uploading using the Gimp program? Looks like I'm running out of KB quickly.
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    Now that I know what caused this, I will increase the file size.

    Easy: Double clip the image to select how you want them to appear in the post include naming them and adding descriptions.

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