Which is better, VST or RTAS?

Discussion in 'Digital Audio' started by rainydayglory, Feb 24, 2009.

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Which is better and why? VST or RTAS?

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  1. rainydayglory

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    Hello. I'd like to get a quick opinion from all of you. Which do you like better, and more importantly, WHY?


    VST?

    RTAS?
     
  2. Space

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    Here is a very useless answer.

    Take two minutes and google what the difference is between vst and rtas, who can use them and who cannot, is there a vst to rtas converter and do I need it?

    I like to think of it as the "diy-answer poll".
     
  3. rainydayglory

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    hi sorry, i've been researching for about 2 months now. clocked WELL over 2 minutes. more like, well, 2 months.

    normally, it doesn't matter cuz i'm not spending money. i LIKE research. but if i'm spending money, i'd like to not rely solely on myself.

    don't think of this post as a cop out. you don't even know me, or how much research i've already done. plus, i'm a songwriter, not a computer tech or an sound engineer. my job is lyrics and chords. if you were to ask me songwriting advice, i'd just give the advice. not tell you to learn chord theory or get a rhyming dictionary.

    don't post if you're not going to be helpful. that's just lame attempts for attention.

    attempting to point out another person's ignorance or laziness kinda backfires when you don't personally know who you're insulting.

    why even post a response like that? YOU don't google everything. otherwise you wouldn't be here either.

    does this mean i should just not bother with this forum at all? is that what this leads to? i could offered TONS of advice on the things i know how to do. i ask one question about something i dont' know about, and suddenly i'm lazy.


    get bent
     
  4. hueseph

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    As much as I appreciate the many free and decent VST's out there. I really don't think they compare to the majority of RTAS plug ins. I don't know if this is just my perception of the plugs because I bought into PtoTools or if they actually do sound better. For sure the basic D-Verb is better than any reverb I've heard in a free VST and the Bombfactory compressors are far more subtle than anything I've found in a free, included VST plugin.

    That being said, when you pay for good plugins (ie:Waves, UAD-1, TC-Powercore), They will sound good regardless of the format. It's just a matter of compatibility at that point.
     
  5. Codemonkey

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    Right. In your 2 months of research, you should have realised that:

    VST is a format of plugins for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT platform than RTAS is.
    RTAS is for ProTools, VST is for everything else.

    Everything else in your post makes me want to double facepalm.

    Space's post IS helpful - he's asking if you actually know what the difference is between these 2. If you did, you would surely realise that the 2 are completely different and yet entirely similar beasts.
    They're both fish but one is a shark and one is a school of tuna.

    How do you compare those?
    I mean, I like tuna better, it's normally less vicious.

    Now, if all you want is a personal opinion, then why not make it clearer instead of asking which is better which to most people here will probably mean from a technical standpoint.

    It's still moot though, because you can't swap between them without a wrapper - meaning it's entirely down to what platform you use.
    I use Kristal on a PC and therefore I use freeware VSTs. I find that they're my only choice and it's not something I spend time considering.
     
  6. hueseph

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    Rainyday: Give it a chance. There are some jaded people on this forum and rightly so. There are a lot of pirates and just thick headed people out there. Sift through the resent though and there are some gems of information if your question is presented the right way.

    Incidentally, I don't think it was a bad or inappropriate question in any way.
     
  7. Greener

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    Who gives a @#$%.
    Plugins suck.
     
  8. Codemonkey

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    Bad use of plugins suck.

    Used correctly, they can improve and do things that are completely awesome.
     
  9. hueseph

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    I think the question is valid if you have yet to choose a platform. Maybe he's in between DAWs. I use both but I prefer the RTAS plugins I do have with the odd exception(Magix Variverb Pro).
     
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    Dayam... who opened the nasty gate this morning???

    Sheese...

    rainy's admitted being a relative noob... while fun can regularly abound in blasting newbs. (A joyous past time in some haunts) it generally stay's pretty civil here.

    However, I will say that there quite a few folks around here who see a bombardment or newbie-esque, over simplified and relatively inane styled questions, and it's not quite calling the sharks... (chumming real good and heavy, MIGHT, call one or two biggin's in to chew some ass) but otherwise, it's more like chumming Koi with bread crumbs.

    Seriously, if you need to know the basics, just ask in one decent conversational post. Folks do share here... most of the time.

    Looks like you can hold your own, so I prolly don't need to say much more than welcome to the fray... and it's ok to put complex issues in one post... If they can't handle it... well... at least you only wasted your time in one thread.

    Personally, I stay in TDM except for Echo Boy and McDSP, so I'm not really gonna be of much help.
     
  11. Space

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    Thanks CM. Actually the question is valid. It opened up the door for more information, as hueseph and CM presented. None of which, btw, have a thing to do with which is better or even speaks directly to the "poll".

    In general, overall, a poll is the first indication that the "pol-er" is uninformed.

    "attempting to point out another person's ignorance or laziness kinda backfires when you don't personally know who you're insulting."

    See, I wasn't doing any of that...none of it.

    VST is a common platform used by the multitude...it is at mass saturation already. So the question is wrong and really has no answer in that respect.

    Link:
    Making sense of the VSTi, DXi, MAS, RTAS, and AU Jungle

    The above link is the answer, as it where, to your question, less the poll.

    I recommend searching because it is akin to having all the encyclopedias available to the user in near real time. Granted incorrect information will be presented, but this is where the user must persevere to find well documented and trusted support.


    So now I will answer your poll question with 100 percent accuracy:
    I like VST plugs because I cannot use RTAS plugs. :)


    Hope this helps,

    Brien
     
  12. rainydayglory

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    ok, i didn't read all the other posts, but i will tonight when i get home from work. as a janitor.

    all i was asking for was something else to read, and i got it. thank you.

    i KNOW rtas is for protools. i know vst is open source.

    my opinion is that vst being open source means you won't always know what you're getting unless you can meter a lot of stuff to find out.

    i was asking for help. just because i didn't spout all the 'research' knowledge i've acquired doesn't mean i didn't do the actual research.

    the further down the rabbit hole i got, i realized i needed to hear stories from people who's actually done it. just because i can read a lot and i have a degree in audio does NOT mean i get to cut audio all day. that's the real world. so, i came here for some real world advice


    codemonkey, you have TONS of great advice hear, and i can't wait to learn more, but i'm so serious, the next one of you elitist assholes who accuses me of laziness, or supports another post that DOES accuse me of laziness is gonna get torn up.

    cut

    and

    dried
     
  13. Greener

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    Use the shift key you lazy prick.

    ;)
     
  14. Space

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    Apparently the poster wasn't really ready for a quick opinion from all of us either :)
     
  15. Link555

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    LMAO- We are soooooo nice here.

    I use VST, I love my UAD card and some Waves plugs.

    I have not noticed much differences in the formats, but I can't say I have tried a VST and the exact same plug in the ProTools (resistance is futile) format.


    The real test would be grabing a waves plug and see how it translates from each format type.
     
  16. rainydayglory

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    k, forget it, i'm out of here

    not like you care, but i'm deleting my account here

    i'll just go back to asking people in person, it's just simply a better experience
     
  17. Space

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    Do you delete your Questions if you do not like the Answers!?


    The difference here is that I have nothing at stake. I look like an idiot no matter if I ask questions or give answers. You support this with your leaving. So how am I suppose to feel about this?

    Your just not ready to play with a world wide bunch of head smackers yet :)
    It stings at first, but it isn't anything but an opinion, yours and mine or whoever else jumps in.

    The trick, and this is tricky, is to not take ownership. When you "own" a thread or post, it is your road to hell, your first undoing, your opportunity to be at one with JP22.

    After a while, you know who to trust and who to ignore and who knows where all the bodies are buried :)

    You can move on if you want, but the problem is going to be where ever you go if you have such thin skin that you either cannot take a joke or will not accept that sometimes, even the most educated, ask or phrase a question that is so ill it deserves to be left alone, but we hate to see someone left out of the fray :)


    So, welcome, cheer up, ask better questions and stop polling me!!!
     
  18. rainydayglory

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    hi max,

    i just wanted to get some new opinions from some cool folks. 'space' doesn't even really bug me, i'm just a newb that cannot be bashed. now that i'm home from work, i've got more reading to do, which is cool.

    the basic problem is my band bought a Mackie onyx for live + recording, but i've already recorded 2 songs last year with an mbox one + g4 466:512ram. i got up to 8 tracks with some real time plug ins before it stopped bouncing properly. so, to finish the whole record, do i stick with the onyx and buy a PC? or i could buy a used digi 001 PCI based system and a G5 mac and stick with what i'm comfortable with.

    i just kept the question simple to appeal to people's curiousity. EVERYONE wants to rhyme in with 2 cents when they CAN. and who couldn't rhyme in on THAT? and i'll take ANY opinions, i'm not picky.

    i just get a little peeved when i get accused of laziness, when really, i was just being efficient. as for calling the sharks, bring that shit on. as soon as i know as much as a shark, they can just piss off. leave the forum completely. i'll field all the tough questions. sharks should WANT to help out. they don't WANT to help because they're jaded loser's who don't get enough attention. if they got more attention, and were happy, they'd WANT to help. it's just that simple.

    and as for 'wasting time in one thread', EXACTLY!!!!

    if you (collective you, not YOU you) don't like my thread, buzz off. i read TONS of other posts, but by posting my own thread, i can whittle down to what i'm looking for easier. if people don't like that, it's a free country. they allowed to not like it. and i'm allowed to post.

    thanks man, take care
     
  19. rainydayglory

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    hi brien,

    "See, I wasn't doing any of that...none of it."
    naw, it's cool, even if you WERE accusing me of being lazy. i mean, i still wasn't BEING lazy. i DID my research. but i'd like a NEW kind of info. people's educated opinions. real world application. plus, i'm about to spend money. i'm not trusting 2 grand to my own dumb ass intuition. so i came to a forum. let's get the new guy. @#$% you.

    ya, i get it, YOU can't use RTAS because you didn't purchase ProTools hardware. i'm not THAT new. i studied protools at an accredited audio school. IN NINETEEN @#$%ing NINETY SEVEN. there WAS no hard disk recording at that time. protools 5 doesn't count because computers sucked in 1997. get a grip guy.

    see, but this is where YOU'RE supposed to chime in with how cool VST plugin's are: and how 'this one and that one' compare to 'this one and that one' in protools. support your platform, hoss.

    you said:
    "VST is a common platform used by the multitude...it is at mass saturation already. So the question is wrong and really has no answer in that respect. "
    ok, what the hell are you even talking about? saturation? like, tape saturation?


    but no joke, thanks a TON for that link. i needed something like that. i will read more tomorrow. but really, thank you.

    hey man, no offense, but i'm just going to hand it back ten fold. if someone is nice, i'm nice. if someone's a jerk, i'm a jerk. does that work ok?
     
  20. rainydayglory

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    i got my link, right? ;)

    i met 3 or 4 cool people to rap a little audio. you guys didn't even give me quick opinions. i got good stuff. i got a bit to work with. that link YOU sent looks great. what didn't i get? i got everything i wanted by creating a decent post.

    look how much shit i got done while i was at work? i posted JUST before i left for work. and i got home about an hour ago. LOOK HOW MUCH RESEARCH I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO.

    but if i learn anything, and if i can help, just ask. i'm here to help, not be a newb, or a douche.