"Why the hell are they signed and I'm not? They su

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  1. bigtree

    bigtree musician, mixer, producer Moderator Has Studio Services

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    Let's face it, all of us at one time or another have heard a new artist on the radio or a video and wondered "Why the hell are they signed and I'm not? They suck!"

    What's your take on this controversial and subjective subject?
     
  2. RecorderMan

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    Stamina and Luck. They were a the right place at the right time AND they're there....meanig there were probably many-many-many-many(you get the idea,,,many) day's and night that they did not stop pushing and working to be heard...hoe ever much they "suck"...whereas you and I decided to go home earlier all theos many days.....
     
  3. Bear's Gone Fission

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    Pretty much all of them have better abs than me . . .

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  4. Henchman

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    Even though they suck, they also swallow. Me. I refuse to even come close to one of them things, unless it's mine.

    I mean, have you ever met some of the people that get signed. Alot of them really are complete cocksuckers. And since most A&R people are guys, well. Everyone needs a good cocksucker now and then.
     
  5. jdsdj98

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    I honestly believe that equal to the problems already mentioned (not so subtly) here is the current state of music as a whole, wherein in the past 5-7 years we have seen the proliferation of DAW's and thus loop based, perfectly tuned music. The necessity in having the ability to play (or sing) a beautiful track on any instrument has been absolutely, positively, completely eliminated with today's technology. All this great stuff we use everyday (which don't get me wrong, when used correctly and in the right environments is indispensable) has directly contributed to the dumbing down of musicianship. That last snare hit was a little late? No problem, I'll just move it. A little soft? No problem, I'll just replace it with another. That long note you ran out of breath on? No problem, I'll just grab a good spot, stretch it out with some crossfades, and Auto-tune it. While these things get us out of a jam in the studio, we need to serioualy think about the role that we directly play (as engineers/producers) in the current direction of music. Is it easier to fix the problem ourselves with our tools than to coax just one more take out of someone in an effort to get it right?

    And I have rambled.

    All I'm saying is that technology has made it incredibly easier for anyone to sound marginally talented, not talented, but marginally talented. In some ways, engineers are now able to wield incredible power over arrangements and performances without ever saying a word or playing a note, but simply by using our tools. With those capabilities in place, A&R can now focus on image and attitude in their search, not musicianship.
     
  6. Kurt Foster

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    Cycle 60, you have it nailed on the head except you forgot to mention the most important thing. You gots to look good on the tee vee, and oh yeah, suck and swallow , yeah that's it.....Fats
     
  7. RecorderMan

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    Absolutly...even songs aren't enough...it's all about "the package" to get a deal today.

    What's the MOST ironic to me, is that in the "old" days the that people were in charge of record companies didn't come from marketing backgrounds , they were "inneficient" they night say today...but they're indusrty grew. Today all the lawyers, MBA's and marketing hacks have there way...and where's the buisness now?
     
  8. Kurt Foster

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    No soul....
     
  9. Eric Best

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    A band that I've been working with for years put it perfectly, "we're only popular because we are too stupid to quit."
     
  10. Kurt Foster

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    Eric,
    Where did you get the cool Avatar???Fats
     
  11. Fats- Yeah, his is cool, but so is yours... I mean Henry the @#$%ing 8th? Doc.
     
  12. Eric Best

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    Fats,
    I coach diving at Michigan State, and the previous coach's daughter did that for his web page, so I stole it :D
     
  13. jimistone

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    never in my life have i seen every gendre of music suck as bad as it does now.

    pop: perfect autotuned crap that has no lyrical content anymore.

    country: gone are the glory days of the late 70's outlaw movement. now its a bunch of prettyboys in white cowboy hats that sing the songs that the same handfull of nashville writers churn out daily(maybe thats whay it all sounds the same) :eek:
    at least you used to could count on country music to deliver great lyrics. now country is basically pop (see above "pop" description.)

    rock: 7 string guitars with scooped mids played by guys who can't even play 6 string guitars... wearing clown makeup no less (IDEA!!..get ahold of bozo the clown and ronald mcdonald, get ibanez to make some 8 string guitars and cut a record... it would be huge!..the time is right!)

    R&B: this genre used to be called "soul"..i can see why they changed it. who in the hell came up with this new style of voice quivering that all the R&B has now? whoever it was should be hung by the neck until dead...or...make him listen to that shit for a few hours and he will hang himself.

    Rap: dosen't most of this sound the same..or is it just me. all the filty language and extream subject matter had shock value back in the 80's but now its been done to death and then some. Also, does every song in almost every genre HAVE to have the obligatory rap passage?

    blues: mostly new artists doing old classics and old artists doing old classics. does anybody write new blues songs besides me? I have been hearing blues tunes with "the obligatory rap passage" on the radio lately. that REALLY gives me the blues.

    damn its time for something new to hit big...but...how can it when the powers to be want everything to sound the same.

    im thru ranting now
     
  14. Kurt Foster

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    Hear! Hear! and Harrumph! Can I get a Harrumph/ (That guy over there didn't give me a Harrumph!) Well said, and I couldn't agree more..... What gets me is I hear a song on the teevee and it sounds ok, then I go get the ceedee and put it on my stereo and it sounds like a dog drop! ("No Doubt" comes to mind) I think we should burn Tchad Blake in effigy! What he did to Bonnie Raitt is a sin!………. ........Fats
     
  15. jimistone

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    every once in a while someone sticks by their guns, rufuses to sell out, does what the love and set out to do...whether or not its "whats hot" and actually makes it because of raw talent (stevie ray vahgn comes to mind)
     
  16. jdsdj98

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    well said jimi.

    i myself am from southern mississippi. nice to see somebody from back home here. kosciusko, that which gave us oprah.

    what's going on in the recording world down there? i never really saw much going on, thus the relocation.
     
  17. jimistone

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    hi 60 cycle,
    that is really cool...that your from mississippi too. the main thing thats going on in recording here is gospel singers paying big money to cut an album, and they have their background music already. when my studio is finished im going to try to get in on some of that money.
    maleco records still rules the blues world. Alot of real good unsigned talent in mississippi...i don't think maleco would sign someone thats white...im not a rasist...just being honest.
    I don't know if you know bill boutwell (used to sing with the band "sassy jones")..anyways, he said he would sing some of my original material for an album im working on. bill is the cream of the crop as far as vocalists go, so im exited about that.

    great site you have here big tree. i have learned alot reading posts.

    thanks,
    jimistone
     
  18. I believe that there is WAY too much askew in the way the bussiness works. Image is everything, you can polish up the artisst performance after they have left, so ok tracks sound dead on great, and half the time, the "talent" doesn't even know it and think,"Wow I was SOO on that day"

    Psha,I agree, there is less and less of an emphisis on accually being creative and talented.

    i on the other hand am a dreamer, I'd like to think there still may be a few artist out there who aren't "cocksuckers" somewhere.
    Also the amount of artist out there who like to be on the other end, and take eway too much from the groupies. I think the "pop/rock" scene has grow very unprofessional, and frankly, embarrising in the way they conduct themselves at times.

    Yeah I'd like to think that there are still some decent acts out there. My hopes, for my studio/label(when I'm through with training and it comes into being), is that it would evolve into a place with a positive atmosphere, haha, I'll have a big sign "No Cocksuckers allowed" just kidding.
    But I owuld much rather have good talent on the other side of the mic so I owuldn't have to do as much sweetening behind the console.

    Anyways I kinda completed my thoughts, even though I could probably write a 10 page essay on what it wrong with the way the system works and still barely scratch the surface

    Peace and love y'all
    Rob
     
  19. This is a great thread, and btw, Fats, Harumph! Right now in the studio where I humbly play, we are recording an album for an 18 darling. Great girl, not-presumptuous or DIVA like and her voice is to die for!. I mean real pipes. We dont tweak or anything. The only thing I wish we didnt do for this album was give it all the normal ABBA meets Digital crap she feels she needs for the big companies.

    Actually there is a piece of advice I could use here. Her mom wants me to represent her and promote her to the record companies, anyone have a ballbuster idea to get me through! Anything is helpful,

    Chris
     
  20. Kurt Foster

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    First, get a big pile of money!
    Second, find a good entertainment lawyer (in New York, L.A. or Nashville) and give said stack of money to said laywer. If you are fortunate enough the laywer will actually do something for the money you gave them and get you connected to the record companies or publishers. If said laywer turns out to be a bust, get another big pile of money and another laywer. Repeat steps 1 & 2. That's it...or dumb stupid luck.....Fats...and Harrumph to the 3rd!
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