Tom, you made strong and excellent points, my take was not the demise of the engineer, but the enhancement. Firstly, you mention the word processor, well, that's a great analogy since millions of jobs were lost to it, a modern publishing software user can produce magazine quality camera ready art, graphics, and typset in no time, yet is paid about what the executive assistant was paid before. All the associated jobs were not needed, not to say that printing company's and publishers don't maintain this type of staff, maybe just not as many. It is survival, being able to bring in the business, and still market what you can do. This is where we want to be, as an indy, or working for a company. I see many specialists wondering about aimlessly, some are changing fields, and only dabble a little in their real trade. I have also seen studio's go, one after another, with many clients left with no where to turn. IOW's if things get that bad, imerge into something that values the expertice. Don't throw in the towel.