State of Major Label recording

[Davedog]

EXCELLENT RANT MAX SIMPLY EXCELLENT!!!

The great part is 'others' will get it. Aquavelvet NEVER will. And thats not a bad thing. One less mook I always say.

Theres an independant revolution on the horizon. Big Bro cant buy all the airwaves, but the more we sit by and let them, the more they will.

Anyone that doesnt think this is happening has their heads in the sand up to their collective assholes.

You have to work hard for the slice. But until its gone, ya gotta always reach for it.

Aquaman hasnt a clue. He thinks that he can come on here and throw namebrands and model numbers around and that'll impress...

Ya know whats really impressive? Young guys who have an eye on the prize and are willing to work and risk and fight for their right to obtain it. Those are the guys I want in my room. Those are the people I want to give a hand to. Those are kids that can and will.

Not some jackass with a bunch of words who doesnt have a clue what any of them mean.

[MadMax]

DD,

aquaboob3 is a twit and doesn't really warrant the acknowledgement of existance beyond the points I've made for his (et al) edification, other than to say that a troll is a troll.

The ignorance of youth is quite often forgivable as the favour of the aged, neglected... but a fukwit dweeb need only be recognized and dismissed as just noise in the background of life, such as the passing of wind by and old man on the street corner.

His ilk are the half implied continued ruination of this industry. They don't even know enough to comprehend that the end is clearly in sight and yet they contiune to roll unobstructed and oblivious toward the point of no return, on the slippery slope of erradication of individual and societal rights.

In this case, the folly of youth is deserving of so much more than a simple swat on the bottom. Yea my brother, the need is of a good old fashioned ass whoopin to turn their eyes teary in the wake of the reality that the easily begotten "fun and fame" they so desperately seek, is on the verge of collapsing into oblivion.

What shall these children do when all that is theirs to see and own is pablum for the masses controlled for so many by so utterly few? They shall sit in their own wreched stench and whine, or they will likely say nothing at all. There shall be no cheese with their whine. The only whine shall likely be that they long of the good old days when they still had time to fix things and all they did was place their opposable s up their collective anal sphincter's.

If they are as fortunate enough to grow a spine and out shall sprout the testicular fortutude to even breed another generation... maybe THEN will their offspring see and identify the ogre behind the facad. Maybe then will the curtain be pulled back to reveal the lost art of what music is and always has been.

And again, I would remind you that the troll neither sleeps nor feeds enough that it is satified to the the point that it becomes complacent enough to just go away. They continue be the constant irritation such as a festering pestule caused by constant attention paid to a splinter in the ass from setting on the bleachers of life... The end result is in the necessary call for assistance to remove said irritant from the gluteus maximus...


...but they are fun to torment and rant upon while they are here!

[aqualand666]

granted, generally speaking today's music (by the general youth) is lame, but i don't know if that is necessarily a new thing. i thoroughly enjoy the classics and like many i too am frustrated with the industry. but do you honestly believe that true creativity and burning ingenuity in songwriting is going to come from some washed up old fool like yourself?

you know nothing about what i proceed to do with music. the fact that you act like you do makes you all the more pathetic.

cut the ****in wise guy "i have twenty years of experience so i must be a professional" routine. i know that i'm not buying it.

or maybe its more like; "i have 900 posts so my rants are more acceptable than your logical reasoning or opinion"

who knows, you guys are good ole american boys drinking whiskey and rye.

[Davedog]

Okay, aguamanic, throw it out. Show the masses here what you're doing with music. Everyone wants know. You've been asked several times about your direction, your gear, your experience, yet you have no answer. Most people on here will tell you upfront what they're working on, what they're using to get it done and what they want out of it. But you have not been so forthright. Nows your chance. You talk big stuff, deliver.


You want respect. Earn it. Right now your whole persona to the entire group here at R.O. screams out TROLL.....or perhaps EGOTISTICAL IDIOT.... Either way, its getting kinda weak for you. Your constant reference to what someone is drinking simply because they differ in opinion from you is weak. Your obvious level of knowledge is weak and you back it up with hearsay and nonfactual rhetoric.

Its time for you to come clean. Step up. Be a man. Show what you got. Post some examples in the forum. If you're so smart, prove it.



Otherwise, and I say this as a Moderator here at Recording.org...........


You'll be gone. Its just that easy.


(Drinking cranberry juice)

[hueseph]

Regarding Aqualand: it's the same crap as when he was here as liquidstudios. He's even gone back to referring to number of posts being irrelevant and blah blah.

Regarding "older" people being able to produce quality music: did anyone see the PBS airing of Peter Frampton a week or so ago? Or has anyone heard his latest album?

I was shocked. I stumbled upon a familiar tune while flipping channels and here it was Peter Frampton. I couldn't place the tune until the chorus. It was Soundgarden-Black Hole Sun. I couldn't believe my ears. Not only was this 50+ year old man playing Soundgarden, he was doing it justice.

I have to say as well that his chops have far from waned. If anything he's gotten better over the years.

That's just one example of a musician who not only has kept up his art but has grown over the years. I can think of others who had just gotten better with age. The late Stephane Grappelli was a monster fiddle player 'til he passed away. Jeff beck has grown with the times, adapting technology to his playing. Adrian Belew. Adrian Legg.

Then there's guys out there like Ben Lacy who are just from another planet. Joscho Stephan, Tommy Emanuel. That's just the guitarists (and one fiddle player).

So yeah, I think the mature players still have the monopoly on talent. That's not to say there aren't talented youngsters out there but they are fewer and further in between. Soloing is not "cool" in the rock world anymore. Shredding is just plain shunned. With hip hop, making your own beats from scratch is taboo. If it don't have a sample from a classic lp, it ain't no good(plagiarism).

[hueseph]

Oops! I mistakenly lumped Joscho Stephan with the mature players. Not to say that mister Stephan does not play in a mature way but he's still under 30 I believe. So, relatively young still. (In the media world, ancient)

[MadMax]

Hmmmmm... lickquidstupios... that's where I recognized the dribble from... all the clearer now.

hueseph... while I heartily agree that many artist's talent seems to just get better with experience, I do actually look forward to working with some of these young cats... There's still some musicianship out there to be true. Just not in as high of a ratio as it seems like it used to be.

Between the arts taking such a hit in the education process and the fact that knowing your instrument isn't as high of a priority has definitely increased the signal to noise ratio. It's a real shame too. A true artist should be driven to get it as perfect, or at least right enough on a single take. If not a single take, then in respectable durations of a performance. It should, as I think most everyone here will agree, not be one or two notes at a time. That applies to everything from kik to vocals and everything in between. The slight imperfections that come with performances is the proof that it is genuine.

This thing we call music comes from the soul. It lives and breathes at the same pace and with the same depth as the creator. It is passion. Passion does not exist on a grid.

[aqualand666]

nice insight man, ideosyncrasies create bustling character? who would've thought. i am not liquid studios..., hang it the **** up dr. magoo, detective clouseau. your investigation on matters seems about as thorough as that of a character on a soap opera.

the number of classic rock acts still around, still being creative is almost nonexistant, i think the last fresh thing i heard in this scenario was tom petty - last dance with mary jane. audioslave is unique, maynard james keenan is in his 40's, i just saw motley crue earlier this year, they definently weren't bad. not as bad as aerosmith at least. i could hardly sit through an entire set of "cryin," and the other bullshit they play now. and even if you can find the very few that are still going strong, you can look back to some point in their career and see something god awful that they did. dave grohl still does it well, he has never played a single nirvana song after the death of the band, although the amount of money he could probably make off doing so would be surprising. maybe i shouldn't speak too soon, however i trust that grohl would never do it. i dont have that same trust in many of the classic rock acts that try to relentlsessly capitalize off touring. (often times with one or two original members mind you)

i don't know what to tell you about my experience, this topic isn't about me.

i guess true artists strive to get it "perfect," but i don't think that is the philosophy that true artists strive to attain. it is more that the true artist strives to be himself and put forth his creativity at all costs. the true artist realizes what amount of technical valour is necessary to convey the creativity. i don't think jimmy page specifically ever tried to get his takes perfect. lou reed of the velvet underground surely didn't. and no, i don't believe mr. jimi waiting down at the chelsea drug store did either.

not dylan, not the sex pistols, and surely not ziggy who played guitar

its people like zakk wylde, joe satriani, yngwie malmsteen that play guitar for 12-13 hours a day and force themselves to play perfectly mercilessly. and as much as i dig the styles of the parties involved, i wouldn't necessarily go out of my way to hail any of them as being the upmost of creative entities. or hey you have eric clapton, what a wonderful guitarist, one of the most clean and perfect i've ever heard, but does he write a single lick?

and for god sake's quit hatin on my username, you do realize yours is mad max right? are you five? do you own a Purple motorcycle and ride around snapping a chain to the road beneath your feet? no wait, you toss cards at your enemies don't you.

if my name was max, i would shoot myself. that or drill my head out. 3.148784394934484934034039493493483434037379558459 45858585458

^the only cool max that i can think of. oh wait there's max weinberg.

[Davedog]

I can only assume that by your vehement declarations of what all these 'artists' had in mind and their apparent level of achievement and their desires, that you know them all personally. We should all pull up a chair and bask in the radiance of your extended knowledge and know that our days grow brighter with the blessings laid on us my your reverence.


Since you insist that your knowledge surpasses all who come here, then I declare this topic to be about you, Sir Aquaman.

Now that we have that little technicality out of the way, its time for you to let us all in on how you know so much ....so much that isnt rumormill fodder, so much that isnt half-truths.....so much that is factual....So much as to willingly backbite and denigrate any who seek to discuss with you the merits of your high and mighty declarations.


Its now. You have but a few hours left in these forums. Its time to put up or shut up.

Its your last warning.

[aqualand666]

well, i can't obviously say for complete certainy on my references to less than perfect musicians (who are still quite legendary). but i feel like its a relatively valid assumption. but as for those guitarists playing that number of hours and practicing incessantly, that's all fact.