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    Default Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    No fancy test here, just me noodling around with a split signal out of my Les Paul. One line into a POD, and the other to a miked Marshall JCM-DSL2000 with a 1960A 4x12 cabinet.

    Take a listen below and see if you can tell which is which?

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    Hey Bassmac, it's Crowdog from the DUC, How's it going? ........ I'll take a stab at it. I think sample #1 is the POD, #2 is the real Marshall - only because I think I hear real room on that one, but who knows - I think they both sound pretty cool. My preference is #1 no matter which one it is.

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    ok, here's my guess:

    1) POD
    2) marshall

    I didn't like the 2nd take at all - the mids sound pretty messed up - probably out of phase. it quite sounds like the mic isn't on the sweet spot of the cabinet. perhaps too far away from the cone and off-axis?
    anyway, that's why I'm pretty sure take 2 is the marshall. looking foward to hearing the result.

    all the best.

    mike

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    Hey... the link is not working for me :(
    Think Differente!

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    Yeah,
    I would say the first is the POD and the second is the Marshall. I would prefer the sound of the POD.

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    I would say 1 is pod and 2 is marshall... very nice sound the first one

    which pod did you use for the test??

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    sample #2 sounds like a bad miked cab, plus I used to have a DSL JCM2000 and they are very harsh. so I sold it and bought 2 JCM800s with the money, and it's just a different world, in terms of sound. Also 57s sound harsh to me too, an M88 made a whole difference too.
    Sample #1 is nice, I would use a POD if I didn't know how to find the sweet spot, or I didn't have the right mic or the right amp. But having the right elements is even better than a POD.

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    1 sounds best to me! But then I just lost a Neve vs Pro Tools shoot out on some 'classical music' recordings, so WHAT DO I KNOW!

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    I too would say #1 POD and #2 Marshall. And the fact that #1 sounds less offending than #2 doen't prove anything beside the fact that it sounded better in this case with this particular combination of gtr/amp/room/mic(s)+positioning/pre/recorder of which we know nothing. ;) )

    So what your test maybe points to is that for somebody without the aformentioned quality ressources, the POD might very well be the best path to useable e/gtr recording but it is a far cry from the quality you can achieved under the best of circumstances!

    It is still a useful tool to create different tones than what you have available with your given equipment. And it can definitely help to educate its users to the different characters they can expect from the real different amps, in short: great for preprod! ;) :w:

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    Default Re: Marshall vs. POD? ...THE ANSWERS

    I posted this on the DUC as well, but I know many of you have a lot of experience miking amps, so I wanted to get your opinions as well. Below is a copy of the follow-up I posted on the DUC for those interested.

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    The answer is...

    1) POD

    2) Marshall

    In all fairness, I've only been messing around with this amp for a few days now, (on loan from a friend) so I'm sure I've got a ways to go in terms of miking, tone, etc. To tell you the truth, so far, I really don't like this amp very much. These Celestion 75's and modern Marshall heads are very harsh sounding, and are a far cry from the tone I remember my band mates had back in the 70's. I'm sure some Greenbacks would help, but I probably need a old head as well if I want to go the Marshall route.

    As far as signal chain goes, I just did the basic slightly off axis 57 half way between the cone and edge, into an API 312 pre amp, RME A/D, computer. I am in the same room as the cabinet, but I was sitting about 12' away from the loud muther. I'm know getting closer will increase the interaction between the cabinet, strings and pick-ups, but that's for another day.

    I tend to perfer the POD's Boggie and Fender patches the best, but since I was comparing a Marshall, I used a JCM-800 patch.

    I'm a one room studio, so I'm really not looking forward to recording a blaring amp, but I'm a little down on my (mostly POD) mixes lately, so I'm starting to check out some other stuff.

    There's something very one dimensional about my mixes, and since there's usually a lot of guitar tracks, I think the POD may have a lot to do with it. There's always a lot of discussion about the lack of depth in mixes, and I'm sure too many direct recording sources plays a big roll in that, esp. combined with digital recording. There's also something about the POD's distortion that tends to get very washed out in a mix, where as a miked amp has a certain "bite" that cuts through much better. Oh well, back to the drawing board...

    Thanks to everyone who took my Pepsi challenge. :w:

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