Clocks. Man I've never heard a difference with a clock.....ever. I had M-audio, internal mac, wavesmaxxbcl, and API. I switched back and forth several times. I couldn't even fool myself into thinking I could hear a difference. Believe me I tried.
There sure is a lot of people who think different. But I'm wondering if this is the leftover Pro Tools 24 generation residue. If it made a difference, I would take the leap but I tend to agree.
RME has Steady Clock and if I recall, if I added a third ADI-8 QS I would need an external clock.
Why do these guys on GS claim its helped the Lucid so much? All BS, dilution, placebo what you think? We live in such a confusing industry don't we.
I don't know exactly why people on GS hear the difference between clocks. How man times have you grabbed the wrong channel eq and started making changes thinking you were hearing it improve. I did this 3 times in one mix last week.LOL
Here is a little story about my own self deception(I hope I'm not repeating myself). I bought 2 more 550b's last week thinking I would put them on 2 buss to sweeten a mix. They arrived and I put them on my 2 buss. Now my 2 buss has been a Manley variable mu followed by a Waves maxxbcl limiter. When I mix I hit the limiter with about 2-2.5db of GR. If I am sending it to an ME I back off when I am finished. If I am self mastering I back off until I am barely touching the limiter. If I am doing a demo I leave it alone and call it a day. I decided to try the eq before and after the manley. I started with before. Next I applied some eq. Pretty subtle stuff but making an impact. 2 db shelf @10k, 2 db boost at 75 hz etc. Man the heavens were opening up. Big time! As an after thought and boost to my ego I printed and normalized the mix to compared it to the one with no 2 buss eq. Expecting to be blown away I hit play. They sounded the same! I mean the sounded so much the same that I thought I listened to the same file twice and went back to make sure I was printing things properly. To double check that everything was set up correctly I exaggerated the eq settings to stupid levels. This time I could hear the difference but far less then i expected. I am fairly certain that the 2 buss compression was interacting with the eq and essentially nullifying the effect. I can't tell you how shocked I was by this especially because of how much I thought I was opening up this mix.
Now as a mastering channel my tonelux/550b combo is unbelievable. And now I can use the 550b's on tracks while mixing. The way it worked out is a pretty win win situation. Anyway this was a huge eye opener about self deception for me.
Hey Paul,
I often think its me who needs to change, not the gear. We get a sound in our heads and all the gear in the world doesn't change how it ends up everytime. Scary.
I would love to travel around and sit in on mixes. Oh, how I would love this.
I'm excited to watch the in depth puremix videos coming. I'll be posting a link to them.
Well a null test (at least in my definition) produces the difference between two conversions of the same signal. (Right? You split an analog signal, convert it with two different converters, and then subtract the digital signals.) If that difference signal is small then the two converted signals are "close," but I guess you are saying that they might not "sound close" as in the measurement devices in out heads is doing something fancier than taking an RMS norm.Originally Posted by bigtree
Alto Dog Studios, Blacksburg, VA
Same here. As long as I've got the clocks working properly - no pops, clicks, sync problems - I have not been able to hear any differences. Could be I don't know what I'm looking for, but...
When investigating a phenomenon that is difficult to demonstrate scientifically, always remember that confirmation bias is very easy to demonstrate.
hahaha, can't say I've never done that one..
I've done this many times running live sound. Embarrassing! But confirmation bias keeps biting me in the butt. If I think I'm turning put the highs on the piano it will seem a bit brighter...until I realize I've got my fingers on the acoustic guitar channel.
"re: I've done that a lot, you aren't alone."
What I meant was: I've often thought my mix was going to to sound completely different using something new or changing some method and its ended up sounding so close. Does this happen to you? Its a slow process to re-curve listening habits for me.
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