Glue

[CFS]

I dont think I have seen it covered here yet so I figured i would post about it. So latly I have been getting a ton of "fixer upper" projects where I come into either mix or track vocals/the stuff the guy before me screwed up. I know a ton of techniques for getting glue in a mix but they arent working well enough for me to get the results I want anymore. This stuff is recorded bad but i know I can still do better. I sometimes have to do these as mixes done all in Pro Tools which throws out things like putting a compressor on a send to add some glue. I am running out of ideas here anyone got any?

[miketholen]

are you mixing on a console? or DAW?
if DAW I would definatly split out to a console.
what are you mixing to?
other than the obvious, you'll just have to keep ****ing with it till it gives it up. It'll happen.
oh yeah, mixing to tape works wonders. :D

[CFS]

Budget/circumstances Permitting I go out to a console. I ALWAYS go to a Studer 1/2" no matter what.

[isoloop@juno.com]

You need to read in your Pro Tools manual a little further. There is an entire section that deals with how to compensate for DSP induced delays. (Have you ever noticed that Time Adjuster plug in? Now you know what it is for.) This means that you can add a compressor on an aux. I do it all the time. I really understand the problem you are encountering because I rely on paralell compression to provide the some of the "glue" to my mixes as well. Learning how to do this in Pro Tools will greatly improve the viability of an all Pro Tools mix. Good luck!

[CFS]

I use time adjuster all the time I will say that if you can tell me how i can for example send an Aux send of maybe 20 out of 24 tracks to a compressor and keep the phase ill be amased. I do things like copying a track with the same audio file and doing a compressed and uncompressed version often.

[drumsound]

Why not a good buss compressor right before the Studer? I just bought a Drawmer 1969 for 2-mix glue. It's working quite nice.

[isoloop@juno.com]

The answer is fairly simple. Let's say you want to send all of your drum tracks to an aux with extra compression. Here is what you do:

-Start by changing all of your drum tracks outputs to buss 1-2.

-Now create two stereo auxes with the inputs on both auxes set to buss 1-2.

-Put the compressor on aux one and time-adjust aux two to match the delay created by the compressor on aux one.

Now you can blend the two together without phase problems. I do this almost every day and it does work. Even if you send 20 or more tracks to the auxes. Amazing!

[CFS]

I am actually really not into 2 Mix compression maybe a DB at most I have Compex/pendulum varimu/LALA Limiter if Ineeded it on the 2 buss.

[isoloop@juno.com]

This is a hard one to expain in type, but I will give it another shot. What I am explaining is paralell auxillary compression. One aux allows the signal to pass uncompressed to the mix buss, while the other aux compresses the signal in paralell and sends it to the mix buss as well, so that you can blend the two together. The time adjuster allows you to delay the uncompressed signal so that it blends perfectly in phase with the compressed signal. That is the what you were asking for in your original post, is it not?

Please read the manual and give it a shot. If I have totally missed the point of your question, feel free to set me straight. I am confident that with the info in the manual and the technique I described previously, you will be able to achieve the results you wanted.

[CFS]

Lord Alvin you gave me exactly what I want. I do auxillary compression in nearly all my analog mixes. I was referring to the suggestion to use a 1969 as a 2 Mix Comp.