Chris, I think this is a slightly misguided contest idea? The reason for me saying this is that a great mix with lousy musicians still makes for a lousy mix. However, a lousy mix with great musicians could be misconscrewed as a great mix. There could be one caveat however and that would be to supply the actual audio files for folks to mix and/or remix. I personally will not engage in any contests myself as I've had a great career & all of the gear I have ever wanted/obtained. Sure, I have lousy A/D converters but I care not because they are perfectly adequate in a lovely mediocre way. I also don't believe MIDI and/or loops should be permitted. Playing computer games (as in MIDI & loops) teaches one off thing about the art of recording. One must learn how to walk before one learns how to run. However my suggestion also poses a different set of problems. If already supplying people with audio tracks, they are not recording anything. If they don't have good musicians to work with, it doesn't matter how good they are at recording. This is certainly a double-edged figure of 8 problem. About this contest concept idea all I can say is hmmmmm. Which then makes me want to find the plug-in to remove that.
This is a tough one
Mx. Remy Ann David
Just to clarify: a remix has changed in meaning in the past few years. Remix implies manipulation of loops and incorporating midi. I'm not saying I'm for that sort of thing but when someone reads "remix" this is what they are thinking. That is, something along the lines of a mash up but different. Think Timbaland. Or think of any remixed version of a classic song that you now hate because of the remix. Some remixes don't sound even remotely like the original song. As has been suggested, they can be in a completely different key or for that matter the "producer" may have edited and transposed individual notes of a particular instrument to create something completely different than the original. Personally, I think this would be a step down for RO.
I just think it needs to be clarified exactly what kind of mix project this is if it is NOT a remix project.
Perhaps someone can create a bed track with a base motif which must be used. Instruments or vocals/effects added as the participant sees fit. At least one audio track added using a microphone.
Bad gear isn't always a detriment. Sometimes you can use bad sounding gear to great effect. Otherwise distorted guitars never would have become popular.
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Lets not forget the whole point of this forum. Recording arts/engineers have to do the best with what they've got. Why does someone jump on this forum? At least partly to make their dollar stretch as far as it will go toward creating the best possible sound. I just don't buy the old "Hardcore" genre mentality of saying "We embrace the lo-fi sound because our artists aren't part of the capitalist machine that produces polished production". The truth is that these days, with a couple of Gs, you can put together a rig that will allow you to make very high quality music again and again. And, that's what this forum is all about, putting those couple of Gs in the right spot to get the best result. If everyone had $50,000 to spend on equipment, this forum wouldn't be necessary because everyone would just go out and buy the most expensive stuff.Bad gear isn't always a detriment. Sometimes you can use bad sounding gear to great effect. Otherwise distorted guitars never would have become popular.
Conversely, just because you have the best equipment, doesn't mean you have the talent to make something sound good. Talent and skill at picking the right tools for the right job is what sound engineering is all about.
Good point Jeemy - I'm still a little south of that number, but for my time/$, (hope) I am beyond entry.
Still... every day shows me how far I still have to go.
I think we need some ground rules:
1. Is it a MIX, or a REMIX? To me, a MIX would be a working of *only* various tracks/stems, as you see fit. A REMIX would include things like MIDI, samples, and anything else *added*.
I like the idea of both (electronica/DJ *is* music too, though I count myself in the old school), but we should be clear about which category each contest contains.
2. What effects are allowed? Since autotune / key change / tempo has been mentioned... are these normal MIX effects or part of a REMIX?
Don't be afraid to do both. I don't think REMIXes should *not* be compared to MIXes, but maybe a prize for each? In general, outboard gear for the recording/mix contests, while software for the mix/remix contests?