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    Default Mystery of the Tube Mic

    First of all: Recording.org rocks the nation.

    Now, Secondly: I want to kill my new mic! I received it four days ago. Have a look.

    http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/h...ss_id=7&lang=0

    This baby comes, as said, with its own power unit. A seven pin XLR connects the mic to the power unit. A three pin XLR connects the power unit to your input device (in my case an M-Audio Solo).

    What's my problem. It goes like this...I turn on the mic, allowing it to "warm up". The web page says it needs an hour. The instruction sheet provided with the mic says ten minutes. After about fifteen minutes, actually, some real life comes into the mic - I can hear it because I've got the headphones strapped on with the monitoring button on in Cubase. I can suddenly hear the whole room.

    I step up to the mic to give it a test run - fantastic. All is gravy. I proceed to work whatever song I'm fiddling with. Ten minutes pass. I step up to the mic again. The life has left the mic. Not all of it. About seventy percent. I can still hear myself. But all the lovely clarity is gone and my voice is very quiet and extremely boomy. I record another vocal take - the signal coming from the mic shows a stark decrease in strength on screen.

    At this point I thought - "well, the webpage must be right and not the paper insert. The mic needs an hour to warm up and not ten minutes." Only, an hour later, the mic is still dull and low and sending a very weak signal. Half an hour later it is the same. Two hours later it is the same. Three hours later it is the same.

    That sparkling life which occurs at around fifteen minutes after turning her on is sadly never to return. This morning, after having the whole rig off for the night, I repeated this puzzling affair nearly to the T.

    All right, boys. Give me your best guesses and tell me what key information I forgot to provide. I'm standing by, eagerly. All help appreciated as I dearly want this mic to sound the business.

    For what it's worth, my only suspscion is that it perhaps cannot get enough power. There is a switch on the power box which can read either 230 or 115. Is this to indicate it runs at 230 or 115 Volts? It arrived already set to 230. I tried switching it today to 115 and blew a fuse inside the box. I replaced it and am back to where I began at 230.

    Cheers, Dustin

    sorry fo the novel. Wish you fellas were here to mess with the mic yourselves. I've had it.

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    You do have it mounted upside down don't you? If not that could very well be your problem. The heat produced from the the tube and rising to the capsule can cause the issues you mentioned. If you mount it upside down heat wil travel away from the capsule not toward it. Besides the heat can damage the capsule permanently Since the sound degrades after it's been on for a while I would guess this is the culprit.

    BTW, the voltage should always be set the same as the A/C in your country, never change this unless it's set wrong from the factory. You can damage some very expensive gear with an incorrect setting.

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    Big D, your advice is muchly appreciated. I didn't have it upside down at all. I'm going to give it a try.

    I find it very troublesome that if this indeed is the problem, why they wouldn't have mentioned it in the long DO's and DON'Ts in the included instructions. Sounds like a good way to ruin a 300 Euro investment.

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    It's S.O.P. to "hang" tube mics. The manufacturers of tube mics (especially "budget" offerings) should mention this.

    That may not be the problem though ... you might try replacing the tube. Just because it's new, doesn't mean it's running up to spec ... tubes can be funny like that ... especially cheap tubes made in China.

    When a manufacture charges $4000 retail for a mic, they can afford to QC them, allowing every unit to run for hours and then checking to make sure they are up to snuff. But when you pay $300 for a mic, you can be assured that if your lucky, a short cursory QC was performed. In some cases they will spot check them, one out of ten or one out of hundred. So some mics with problems may slip through the cracks. Contact your retailer or the manufacturer immediately and tell them your problems so you have recourse later, if needed.

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    I find it very troublesome that if this indeed is the problem, why they wouldn't have mentioned it in the long DO's and DON'Ts in the included instructions.
    I agree and as Kurt said it should be mentioned in the instructions. Especially with budget mic's as these are more than likely in the hands of novices who may not already know this. I wouldn't have known had it not been for an engineer explaining it to me many years ago. Of course after hearing the reasoning it makes perfect sense.

    Good Luck

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    You fellas are superb. :D

    I turned off the mic for a while to let it "cool". Then I turned it upside down and after a half an hour or so, flipped the 'on' switch. Fifteen minutes later, the mic hit the good point where it really warmed up. I started singing a little, monitoring from Cubase. Sounded good.

    And it stayed! Still going strong, sounding beautiful. I wager to say, this might have fixed the problem. I hope so.

    But I still have an uneasy feeling about it. If it uniformly displays this problem when turned right side up but not when upside down, would you consider this perfectly normal and let it slide, given that there were no other apparent issues with the mic? I'm quite satisfied with its sound.

    Cheers, Dustin

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    It sounds like you solved the problem but just to be sure let it run for a few hours and test it once in a while. If the problem doesn't return I'd say your safe. If however you notice any issues do as Kurt said and contact the manufactuer right away.

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    I've been using the mic now for a few hours and it continues to sound just fantastic. Nothing like before at all. :D

    Last Q for you: How much of a distance should I keep from the mic when singing? And where should the pop filter be placed between myself and the mic - at what distance?

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    There are no hard and fast rules on this. I vary it with the mic I'm using and how much room I want to pick up. Sometimes I'm 12" to 18" away others times it may be 3' or more. The key is to pay attention to the sound, when it sounds good your in the right place.

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    Wow, those are massive distances compared to what I've been using and what I was expecting. But the advice is appreciated and I'm going to make some tests - back up a little bit.

    Thanks for all the help and your time, Big D. I wish you and your own projects heaps of success.

    Dustin

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