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    Along the lines of what digital studio equipment allows us to do, listen to Let it Be - Naked. This is stuff the Beatles threw away after numerous tries, as being trash not salvagible into something worth releasing (the jury is still out on Spector's version). Now the same stuff sounds great.

    Does that mean that the pros from the 60s did not know what they are doing, or some of what passes today for music is really that bad? Has the importance of musicianship faded that much?

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    Originally posted by buldog5151bass:
    Has the importance of musicianship faded that much?
    I don't believe that the importance of musicianship will ever fade but the ability to use digital technology has blurred the line a little. Anyone can come up with a good song, musician or programmer. I cannot just put my hands on the keyboard and pour my heart out onto it. For that reason, there will always be a difference between my music which is samples and sequences and someone who can actually "play" something!
    As for VSTI's, I don't want to suggest that they will replace accoustic instruments but I think that they will play an ever growing roll in music in all situations as they continue to improve.
    combining live music with recorded music (ie rappers with live bands). Add in all the sampling going on and videos. I think the distinction between "live" and "pre-recorded" will continue to blur.
    I agree with the above statement 100%.
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    I've been giving this a bunch of thought as I'm beginning to teach this class in a week

    There are definitely points in American pop music history where the emphasis on commercial popularity overshadowed almost everything else. Especially quality music/musicianship that never made it to a large public. The examples that immediately come to mind are:

    40's - big band swing - the popular Glenn Miller stuff

    50's - the commercially safe mainstreamed(white) rock-n-roll/pop

    60's/70's bubblegum rock/pop - the AM radio stuff

    late 70's - Disco

    80's - hair bands/video bands

    90's - boy bands/rap etc...

    All of these examples were followed by major musical trends that consciously fought against the mainstream and led to new trends. What all of these have in common is that they are predominantly overproduced "dance" trends. Musicianship is not (has not been) the focus of the style - and doesn't need to be.
    I'm wondering where musicianship is right now. We have musicians with more formal training, better access to recordings, better chops, the ability to record themselves at uprecedented levels - what's the net result????

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    Has the importance of musicianship faded that much?
    Yes. It's been fading and fading. A downward spirial of increasing mediocrity. But technology is on the rise. As musicians in past years spent their waking hours practicing their craft and art - for many hours. Many of those same musicians today are trying to figure out how to sample, and set up/run their home studio. In the past there was more intrapersonal interaction between musicians and audience. Now it's much more isolated. I think this will have and has had a profound effect upon music.

    Music today and tomorrow is an even more a solipsistic, introverted activiity, I believe. More and more people will create their own music, in answers to fighting labels which will more and more fade. Most people will increasingly have their own music -- little camps, rather than bigger ones like The Beatles, Motown or Elvis. The two camps will, as always but more so now, be divided into the Music = money camps and the music = art camps. It'll all be choice because nobody is really trying to get those same old "DEALS" any more . . . New deals in advertising and product placement.
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    Phil:

    One difference over the years. The past may have had "popular" music, but it often was some of the best:

    The 40's big band swing had some great musicianship. Miller's band was primarily made up of faceless but great musicians, and while Frank Sinatra was a pop idol, he was an incredible singer (tone and phrasing).

    50's - I'll admit the Pat Boone and similar covers were more commercial appeal than music, but I always thought they took a back seat to the Buddy Hollys, Carl Perkins, Elvis, etc - who did the original versions (I'm only 38, so I can only go on what I read)

    60's/70's Even the bubblegum rock/pop still had some great musicianship and songwriting (although is was faceless studio musicians).

    70's - Disco disintegrated into mostly garbage at the end, but came from good funk - I think this is where musicianship started its downfall.

    80's - I agree that the hair bands/video bands were more about sight than sound, where the best rock musicians tended to be in bands in the second tier of popularity. Same with 90's boy bands/rap (although even though I am definitely not a rap fan - this is where, in some cases, some of the most original "commercial" stuff is coming from.

    Again, maybe it is because of my age, but seems like the more other medias become relevant (especially video), combined with the ability to digitally fix mediocre music, the less the music seems to matter.

    Sorry for the ramble ...

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