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1. Light Pipe - Mic Pre's 2. Digital/Analog Monitoring

Discussion in 'Preamps & Processing' started by Groove Jungle, Dec 31, 2001.

  1. I have a ProTools MixPlus+++++ system and currently use my Yamaha 02R for the mic pre's and monitoring via Digi's ADAT bridge. I would like to loose the 02R because it takes up too much space and is not a great choice for mic-pre's. I do not feel it worthwhile to spent a bundle on separate and expensive mic-pre's and Line level to Light pipe A/Ds. . . other than having one high end mic pre for vocals. I am looking for ideas and opinions as follows.

    1) Light Pipe - Mic Pre's: I need 16 mic pre's with Phantom power, 24 bit A/D and ADAT light pipe output to go into one of my 24bit Digidesign ADAT bridge. So far the contenders I am aware of are the:
    Digimax http://www.presonus.com/html/products/digimax.html
    SwisSonic http://www.swissonic.com/products/ad8.html

    Any other options? What are the opinions of these mic-pre's?

    2) Digital/Analog Monitoring - The O2R has a simple but useful Digital/Analog monitoring section. I have several Analog sources to monitor from time to time (Cassette, CD) and several digital sources (Protools, DAT, Secondary computer). I need to find a replacement monitoring section and would prefer to find something that also supported surround modes 5.1 and 7.1. In addition to the surround inputs this unit would require 2 or 3 digital inputs (AES SP-DIF) and 2-3 Analog inputs as well. It would have analog outputs to go to the power amps, as well as some additional AES and SP-DIF outputs for recording. It could be rack mount but must have a remote POD with a large volume control on it. It also require a secondary monitoring section for the cue mix. This section would also have a Mic Input with a DIM feature for talkback. Has anyone seen anything like this?
     
  2. RandomGuest

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    Re question 1:
    Studer
    Aphex
    Cranesong (spider - recomended :)
    All make 8 ch mic pre / converter units, I am sure there are some cheaper ones too. The Cranesong pre's will be excelent.

    Question, do you like recording 'flat' no eq into Pro Tools? - I don't.

    Re question 2:
    there are several things around that can do basic control room switching tasks, provided you dont expect one to have TOO MANY features / inputs you should be able to find one as there is a market for them - people doing just what you are..! But the brand names escape me for the moment.. Sorry

    Better give us a budget for the pre section, so we can recomend from there... Wild difference in prices abound, obviously...

    Jules

    Happy New Year!

    :w:
     
  3. Jules

    re Question 1, I should have been more clear. I am a looking for mic-pre's to ADAT Light pipe. I do not think any of the examples you noted are light pipe (ADAT 8 channel, 24 bit). I believe this is the configuration that makes the most sense for me and at least SwisSonic (AD 8) and Presonus(Digimax) have offerings. My price point is sub $2000 which both the AD 8 and Digimax meet. I need 16 channels and before I take the plunge. . . I am curious if there are any other products in this configuration and also what people using these products have found.

    Oh. . .the Cranesong does have the ADAT Light pipe. I 'll check out the others.

    >> Do you like recording 'flat' no eq into Pro Tools? - I don't. <<
    I have a good selection of mics and do throw plug-in eq's and comps on individual channels where required for monitoring. Personally I'd rather print flat, tweak while tracking and get more radical at mix time. I spent a lot of time with 2" tape and Neve consoles in the 80s so I must admit I do miss many of the pleasing characterises of tape and analog gear (distortion, tape saturation etc. . ), but I like the digital world better. Between the right source signals (Tube mics & pre's, the right drum, etc.) and ProTools with the manyplug-ins editing and automation, I have been able to get much better results than the days of old.

    On aside. . .
    Awhile ago I strapped the Waves L1 across the headphone mix and found it has really helped both drummers and singers hear the track & themselves better and also reduced their listening fatique. Since then I put the Waves C4 and L1 across the control room master and have found it works wonders for me as well. A little multi-band and overall compression really lets you hear what is in the valleys. This allows peak monitoring levels to be reduced and I can work much longer days without listening fatique. Besides I like the sound of pop music better this way and that is the way the finished product ends up. . . Try it you'll like it.
     
  4. Hey Jules

    I took a peek as suggested. The Cranesong looks like overkill for me. I don't need the stereo bus, it looks like it is 4 rack spaces which is a bit much in size for me. I didn't see anything like this at Aphex and the Studer stuff is in a different relm. Anything more in line with the AD-8 or Digimax? Anyone used either of these?

    Let me know if you come up with the names of the monitoring sections.

    Howard (HFNY!!!)
     
  5. Jon Best

    Jon Best Active Member

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    If you really want to step up from the 02R, you may need to spend a little bit more than you've stated. For inexpensive, I'd look at the Trident/MTA 16 channel pre (2 rack spaces, probably $2K), and two RME 8 channel AD/DA's (another $2K). If you can stretch from there, I have heard many people prefer the Lucid AD's, for not too much more money.

    Then look up Coleman Audio for a pretty simple, sub-$1K analog monitor panel. I'm sure they can do a 5.1/7.1 capable one, if they don't have one already stock.

    That would replace the 02R with a better sounding front end, for less than you paid for the board.
     
  6. RandomGuest

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    Yes, if the Cranesong seems overkill (features come in handy later remember!) the indavidual converters & seperate pres seems better...

    I suspect you are demanding too much from one low price device and wont get something you describe..

    Lucid 8ch or cheaper RME 8ch
    + a good wordclock feeding all digital devices
    Seperate pre's
    + Your ADAT bridge

    I think for the above you will be lucky to get it to be under 5U rack spaces...

    :)
     
  7. Pete

    Pete Guest

    Check these out : http://www.da7.com/. :)
     
  8. Hey Pete

    The Panasonic WZ-AD96M from your link is another contender. Thanks. . .

    Anyone seen a shoot-out or comparison of any of these?

    So far we have
    -Presonus Digimax http://www.presonus.com/html/products/digimax.html
    -SwisSonic AD-8 http://www.swissonic.com/products/ad8.html
    -Panasonic WZ-AD96M http://www.da7.com/
    -Cranesong Spider (with some extra features) http://www.cranesong.com/products/spider/index.html

    Any other contenders (mic-pres to ADAT light pipe)?
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