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1073 and 1272

Discussion in 'Preamps / Channel Strips' started by nandoph8, Nov 4, 2004.

  1. nandoph8

    nandoph8 Active Member

    What is the difference between the neve 1073 and the 1272? I'm looking the get some neve preamps but seems that that all the 1073's have the eq which I don't need, I just need the actual input preamp. Is the 1272 the input preamp for the 1073??
     
  2. johnwy

    johnwy Well-Known Member

    Great question

    This was taken off the Dan Alexander Audio website .....

    "A 1272 is a line amp/summing bus amp from the circa 1970-76 era of neve consoles, such as 8048,8014,8016,and bcm10 portable consoles.

    A 1272 is not a mic pre, nor was it ever used by neve as such.

    However, when asked what he thought about people rewiring the 1272 as a mic pre, Ruperts' answer was" why not? It's all the same stuff in there". "


    there is more info at http://www.danalexanderaudio.com/neverap.html

    but imho one can never have too many eq's :D
     
  3. johnwy

    johnwy Well-Known Member

    oops....almost forgot

    the neve 1290 is the mic preamp section of the 1073....so if you are looking for just the mic preamp the 1290 may be the better way to go if you cannot find the modified 1272..

    good luck
     
  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Hey Johnny! Love the aviatr ... :mrgreen:

    nandoph8,
    You can also look to a Great River MP2 ..(not the NV series) if you want a Neve "pre only" type of pre amp ... The NV is a pure Neve clone with no mods ... but having heard the MP2NV, I would say to go with it ..
     
  5. tony desilva

    tony desilva Guest

    Hey nandoph8,

    Check the Vintech 'Dual 72' out. Its two channels of the 1272.

    http://www.vintech-audio.com/
     
  6. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    I read somewhere (so this could total crap ;) ) that the 1272 was actually the preamp out of the talkback section of Neve consoles.......

    ....like I said, could be rubbish.
     
  7. EricK

    EricK Guest

    Geoff Tanner (Neve Authority) says:

    http://www.auroraaudio.net/dcforum/DCForumID1/121.html

    Yes, it was part of the Talkback module.
     
  8. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    To keep it short simple, the 1272 is and has 2 of the same gain stages as the the 1073 which has 3-gain stages. The third gain stage is used/switched in when more than about 60dB gain is required. Up to the 60dB-65dB, the 1272 is and has the same sound though there can be some minor difference that many chalk up to age, condition and how hard the mic amp is driven than they do because of the third gain stage. For older mics or for gain needed over the 60dB, the third gain stage does make a real difference in both tone and character compared to the 1272.

    The 1272 has been talked about many times here at RO. Check the archives for further comments. I also don't think it is accurate or fair to save the GR NV unit is a Neve clone. While it is true it is a Neve 1073 influenced design, it stands on it's own merit that is both different yet retains much or the 1073 flavor and character. If your looking or you want something that can be considered a real Neve clone, look to a either a real refurbished Neve 1073 or clones made by Brent Averill, Chandler or Vintech.
     
  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Geoff Tanners comments were very interesting.

    Great River also manufacturers the GRMP2 ... the MP2NV is a modded version ..

    this from the Great River site .. http://www.greatriverelectronics.com

    I exchanged several emails with Dan Kennedy and we discussed the 2 / 3 stage subject ... and he feels as I do, that the 2 stage 1272 does not sound like an original Neve pre ...

    I have used the Brent Averill 1272's before and while I agree they are a considerable step up from most pres .. they do not compare to "real" vintage Neve pres or the true 3 stage versions built by Vintech or Brent Averill. I also had some issues with the build quality of the Brent Averill 1272's I used ... they fell apart in the rack within a couple of years. Fortunately they belonged to a studio where I was doing a lot of engineering at the time and not to me.
     
  10. nandoph8

    nandoph8 Active Member

    my dilema is as follows:
    I want to get the 1073 sound but i don't need the eq. Should I get the vintech audio 1073 clone or just the dual 1272?
     
  11. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Kurt you should know that one experience with one product is not the all be all of fair judgement of quality. I've have had my BA 1272's for over 10-years now and they get dragged all over the place as they are part of my remote outboard rack. Not one single problem in either sound or with the bulid quality. On top of that, I have never heard one bad word word form anyone else in over 15-years of reading the net, taking to friends and clients and others on Brent's build quality be it his refurbished 1272's or anything else that comes from his place.

    Perhaps the one you used had or even still has issues that need to be addressed. After all, if it was an older refurbished unit some amount of failures are likely to occur no matter how good of a refurn job was done. Not all 1272 units are built or sound the same and many don't even have a decent power supply which has much to do with the sound. So important is power supply that each mono 1272 deserves it's own. The other part of how much a 1272 sounds like a 1073 is what mic is coupled to it and how the 1272 is setup/driven. As a guy that used to own real Neve 1073's I am more than aware of what the exact differences are in tone.

    The 1272 does not need to sound exactly like a 1073 to be of value as tool that has both a great tone and character that is worthy as anything ever made in the Neve linage. And now that I own x81's, the 1272's are still of great value for what they offer that being different than the 1073 is a big part of their charm and value in my world and others as well.
     
  12. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Don't need or want the eq, then I'd suggest the dual Vintech 1073.
     
  13. Roly

    Roly Guest

    Hi
    Just curious.........why don't you want or need the eq section?
    cheers
     
  14. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    ...and my question is "do you know the 1073 sound?"

    I run into so many brothers that say "I wanna 1073" but have no idea why. Lemme tell ya, the 1073 is no 'magic bullet' by any stretch of the imagination. It's a good tool from time to time, but IMNTLBFHO has been put way higher on the 'old stuff food chain' shelf than it really deserves.

    People read all these magazine articles saying "we used the Neve 1073 along with [name favorite 3-8 THOUSAND $$ microphone here], and they think, oh the magic bullet was the 1073.

    Wrong.

    Good performers, good performances, great source tones and a well defined strategy and variety of recording tools will be the magic bullet a "Neve" ain't fuckin' it [and I own a bunch of 'um, I know what I'm talking about].

    There are so many things in my arsenal that get used before "Neve" stuff it's ridiculous... API, Great River, Phoenix Audio, DW Fearn, TAB-funkenwerks, Chandler "TG" series stuff, etc., etc., etc. One of the reasons for this is that I hear the "Neve" signature 'smear' on so much crap out there that I use other stuff just so the recordings I make stand out a bit from the overall sound of all the other stuff... so that the recordings I do have a bit of a 'special' edge that help draw in the listener.

    The "Neve Sheep Factor" thing is at an all time high... and I'm afraid it's more from ignorance than experience. Yes, Neve and some of the "Neve-esque" tools are cool... but you really have to have a good sense of how and when to apply them within the context of a project or you're just screwing yourself and the artist.

    Sorry for the rant... it just gets a bit frustrating when you hear the same erroneous doctrine spewed time and time again.

    Peace.
     
  15. nandoph8

    nandoph8 Active Member

    Wow, I am sorry if I have offended you, your highness. But I am sure even YOU started out somehow. Wont you let me get some experience? I mean listen to this...
    http://og7recording.com/Lovemound-Sampler_at_OG7.mp3
    If this sounds like complete $*^t, then let me know so I can quit while I am ahead...
    Again, I apologize for my ignorance...
     
  16. LittleDogAudio

    LittleDogAudio Active Member

    Stay cool Nandoph8.

    It seems like Fletcher is getting tired of explaining the obvious truth that: Just having all the "most talked about gear" doesn't mean $*^t unless you have the ears and the dedication to educate yourself on how to use it, I'm certainly not talking for Fletcher, just a guess.

    Now to give your question some service. Check out the Vintech Dual 72. I own 3 refurbished Neve 1272's and a vintech dual 72. They are both very good and sound rather simular. They will not sound great on all sources and if used too much on one song, can start to cloud things up a bit.

    I love them both on electric guitar, any small stringed instrument (banjo, mandolin, uke, violin, ect) and they can sound amazing on the right vocalist. I don't like them on, over-heads, bass guitar and some acoustic guitars.

    I hope this gives you some insight.

    Cheers

    Chris
     
  17. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    You have to listen to what Fletcher says, and not how he says it.
    He's very experienced and talented, and you can learn a lot from his posts..... you just have to be able to weed out the crap that goes with it :wink:

    Don't be offended. Every one of Fletcher's posts are like that 8)
     

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