Seriously, no wanker opinions on this one. Some personal insight and discussion on high end DAW's and DAW plug-ins My opinion - 10 years ago I sold my Fostex d 16 (which sounded really good) and moved into DAW world ( I should have just bought top quality hardware pre's, mics and processors). I thought it was going to make my music crystal clear (sounds like a drug ). Investing 50 grand into a daw studio and loading up on digi and waves expensive plug-ins, listening back, turned my good mix's into total crap ( sounds more and more like drug abuse lol). Back then I didn't know what the hell was happening because it was all just simply amazing doing all this sound, ITB. More tracks, more plug-ins, I was a glutten for digi gear, heading for both and audible and financial train wreck. I think those who invested like I did turned a blind eye on sound quality. How many of you have spent endless hours trying to fix a wrecked plugin effected mix? We all understand this more today and forgive the industry in general. Live and learn. 5 years ago, I still wouldn't waste a dime on plug-ins because they were IMO still cool looking crap. Yes, I'm now really really jaded from wasting all that money on Alsihad back then. I cringe when I hear what people are paying for HD systems. I'm just glad I broke even in 2005 and learned what I know today. Don't get sucked into a big alsihad system. I just said that again for the 20 time over the last 5 years. Moving on... Reading the forums for 10 years has instilled what... investing in good preamps and mics is still a sound investment. Investing in plugins and/or 20 grand protools HD rig is a really bad investment, unless you are of course... PT HD because it is what's expected for real commercial studio status... We all know the reasons and this is another topic. Prediction... by Feb/March 2010, we are going to see a big change with the leader (digi) and feel sad for all those who invested big bucks in hd rigs over the last 14 months. Hope it wasn't you just reading this. Okay... Moving on... for 2010, IMHO, plug-ins obviously work and are getting better ( man they look amazing!) and... what about vsti! WOW!!! I like where this is going ( yet another topic). Back to the topic.. Do the majority of all plug-ins still turn a great mix into clutter? Its still hard for me to get excited about them. The concept that they should be just as good, if not better than hardware, makes logical sense, not to mention having everything you want ITB. Its so logical and simple. I want to do all my work in the box! But, I'm still not investing in them and don't even load them into my new system ( yet). Am I missing something? Am I so jaded that I'm over the top and turning into an old fashion die hard? From the pro audio engineers conclusion, heading into 2010, what are your thoughts on plug-ins at this time?