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5 mics, 5 preamps, 1 drum kit

Discussion in 'Preamps / Channel Strips' started by wallyjoe, Nov 27, 2001.

  1. wallyjoe

    wallyjoe Guest

    mix and match and let me know how you'd set it up!

    mics:
    2 AKG 451s
    1 SM57
    1 AKG D112
    1 Neumann M149

    preamps:
    2 Neve 1272
    1 Avalon M5
    1 Amek 9098
    1 Focusrite red (3, I think; includes EQ)

    drums:
    standard right-handed rock kit with medium cymbals, ride and 3 toms

    thanks!
     
  2. tubedude

    tubedude Active Member

    Ouch... well, since you have two AKG's and two Neve's, I would assume you would put those on overheads for closest matching, although I'd rather have those 1272's on kick and snare and have a pair of Focusrites or Ameks on the overheads. D112 in Kick, 57 on snare probably with the Amek, and the Neumann out in the room in a strategic spot.
     
  3. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Originally posted by wallyjoe:
    mix and match and let me know how you'd set it up!

    mics:
    2 AKG 451s
    1 SM57
    1 AKG D112
    1 Neumann M149

    preamps:
    2 Neve 1272
    1 Avalon M5
    1 Amek 9098
    1 Focusrite red (3, I think; includes EQ)

    drums:
    standard right-handed rock kit with medium cymbals, ride and 3 toms

    thanks!


    Pretty Simple.

    1. OH: Check out my description of the "two drumstick" OH placement, and use the 451(w/-10db pads if available) into the 1272's for OH. this will get the toms great also.
    2.KICK: D112 into the 9098 or the red; suck out 560 and maybe a little 200 (depending on placement)
    3.SNARE: 57 into either the red or 9098;add some top
    Ambient or Room: M149 into the M5.Close or far;depends on the a. Room b. kit. c.Song/Arrangement(and thus how and what on the kit is played-hard soft,etc)
     
  4. Ang1970

    Ang1970 Well-Known Member

    If it works for the track, maybe the 57 pointing straight up in the middle of the room, into the 1272. Then you wouldn't need to bother with all those other pesky mics and pres. :)

    Set it up the way the song tells you to.
     
  5. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    Why this stereo overhead tyrany? I would tend towards the Neve's for kick and snare as well, but you never know. Maybe use different cleaner preamps with the 451's to complement whatever you want on that side of the kit. Or to hell with it and use a mono overhead. I'd think M149 as room, but maybe it's your overhead, maybe in a weird stereo mating with a 451. Maybe M149 and 451 as a M-S pair, using the 149 in figure-eight. Spare 451 as room, unless you maybe need bottom snare?

    If you end up at some basic configuration which doesn't need the M149 elsewhere, maybe put it at a safe distance outside the kick and nix the D-112. Personal bias speaking there.

    Bear
     
  6. GT40sc

    GT40sc Active Member

    One very important question: Is this a digital or analog recording? It would make a difference in matching mics and preamps for me.

    For example, in a "digital" situation, I may not want to use the 451s on overheads. Depending on the song, the drummer, and the drums themselves, maybe I could get away with just the Neumann up there.

    With an analog recording, on the other hand, I might take one of the 451s into a Neve and put it on the snare drum. Like Ang said, the song will tell you...

    SC
     
  7. Henchman

    Henchman Active Member

    Well, I would use 1 451 over the drummer pointing straight down at the snare. Then, measure the distance from the mike to the snare, and place the other 451 at the same distance facing across the Floortom towards the snare. Then, use the D112 in front of the kick, and the m149 about 6 feet in front of the kit at about the hight of the top of the kick drum. You can move this one around to see where it sounds best.

    The 57 you can use as a doorstop while loading in gear.

    I used a similar type set-up for an album I am working on.

    If youw ant to check out what it can sound like go to the following link and listen to the song Randene.

    MP3

    On mixdown, I ran the 2 "overhead" mikes through the RNC, wich kicks ass.

    Also to complete this recipe add the following to the mix:
    1. Decent sounding room
    2. Decent Drumkit, tuned to taste
    and most important:
    3. Good drummer.
     
  8. Jon Atack

    Jon Atack Member

    Hi Wallyjoe...I think there are some excellent ideas in the above posts.

    I would probably start with something similar to Recorderman, but it really depends on the style, song, room, player, mood, time of day, etc. There are no straight-up answers.

    Let us know what you end up doing and how it came out.

    Jon
     

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