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A Eq question from one of my clients

Discussion in 'Recording' started by tdstotler, Mar 10, 2005.

  1. tdstotler

    tdstotler Guest

    Hello All.

    I had a client yesterday ask me a to try a technique that I have never heard of anything about, nor do I understand what he is talking about fully, and I wanted to see if you guys have heard of anything like this.
    There band is a like a heavy Godsmack sound, but they have a saxaphone player and a jazz drummer (interesting I know, but it does work).
    The leader of the band and the one who is going to be mixing the album with me said he read a mixing technique that states the for things like lead guitars, vocals, etc.. That the ear will get tired of listing to it after a minute and you need to slightly change the eq somewhat to keep the listiner intrigued and not bored. He said you would keep adding mids on say the guitars every now and then, starting out at maybe a .5 db boost at the start of the song and the ending at maybe a +2 boost.
    I told him in my 15 years of mixing that I have never heard anything such as this but we could try it. I said I am concered about changing the eq's too much because they will effect the sounds themseleves, once I normally get a good sound with the eq I leave it, I told him I was concered this would change that throughout the song.
    I have no problem going outside of the box and trying new things but does this sound pretty far fetched to you all?
    I know this would be a automation nightmare. Just want some feedback from you guys. I feel the client thought I 'wasnt up to speed' on current mixing trends because I didnt know this.


    Echoes Recording Studio
  2. jonyoung

    jonyoung Well-Known Member

    Dec 31, 2003
    Sounds like a sure way to guarantee a life threatening case of listening fatigue, or to end up with a project that starts out sounding full and balanced, ends up like two cans and a string.
  3. LittleDogAudio

    LittleDogAudio Active Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    No lead guitar should last more than a minute at a time, imho.

    As for vocals, I would much rather have the singer subtley work the mic to create tonal and dynamic undulations.

    I've been mixing for 22 years and have never heard of this particular technique. But, I say, give it a try and let us know how it sounds.

  4. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest


    if anyone has cool edit go read the help section for effect called Brainwave Synchronizer

    sort of the same concept but with Theta and beta wave manipulation


    interesting subliminal concepting,,
  5. Reggie

    Reggie Distinguished Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    Man, I HATE it when guys in bands with little real recording knowledge try to get me to do retarded mixing/micing techniques that they "heard about". Waste of time; Drives me up the wall!!!!

    NO I will not record your acoustic guitar with a lapel mic no matter what you heard Led Zepplin did.
    NO I will not turn up the bass on the guitars.

    Sorry; rant done.
  6. jonyoung

    jonyoung Well-Known Member

    Dec 31, 2003
    BTW, Is the client "up to speed" with cash, since this will likely add an enormous amount of time to mixing? I'd ask him to see that article he's hyping........curious to know how many Grammys the author has on his mantel.
  7. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dec 10, 2001
    Pacific NW
    Strange....BUT whoever is going to be the Producer with credit is going to have the say.Do your best and if it sucks work out a deal beforehand to remix for a price....on your terms....also get permission to do your own set of mixes for safety copies...do these on your own time and then charge em out the yingyang later...

    BTW...never heard of it...enlighten us to the source of this maddness and we'll all go pummel the author or make em listen to Yanni at +6....
  8. george745

    george745 Guest

    vibrations1951 likes this.
  9. JoeH

    JoeH Distinguished Member

    Jun 22, 2004
    Philadelphia, PA/ Greenville, DE
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    Reminds me a bit of that line in "Spinal Tap" where Nigel Tufnel is talking about really getting into his groove during the guitar solo....he says (Paraphrasing here)

    "after about 13 minutes into my solo; you know, when it REALLY gets going good....."

    Maybe you can find a knob that goes to 11 for him, as well.
  10. Marcus Black

    Marcus Black Guest

    I could see a point in panning some tracks differently in different parts to keep listener interested but eq, don´t get it. A reason to change eq for different parts could be a vocaltrack that has high/loud parts and soft/low parts in order to make them sound more the same. But that´s the other way around.
  11. rrybaker

    rrybaker Guest

    I have actually heard of this technique, but it was in a live mixing situation. I thought it was silly then and I still feel the same way. The fact is this: The subject matter or music is what is being heard. If it is of little substance, then mixing it to make it interesting is not going to fix the problem. I understand people want dynamic mixes which is something to strive for, but not at the cost of jeopardizing the integrity of the mix or the engineer. Not to say that some things should not be tried, but I think we all know the difference. Please let us know how it goes.

    Rory Baker
    Clearwater Studios
    Norman, OK
  12. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    I think anything goes

    however any trick used to excess will eventualy not work and just be stupid


    having said that the use of auto tune in THAT way was probably rejected by many of use that had the plug for months/years before THAT song came out.

    the rest is history

    During LIVE gigs I have been know to do ...
    and the band asked me to repeat them on the album
    oops ... :shock: ...
    I was just bored that night and was having some fun with the Lighting Guy.

    have you ever done battle with the Lighting Guy trying to push the Audience Blinders while he is trying to mess with the Reverb and Delay settings ??
    or even worse mute the lead singer ...
    then again sometimes that can be a good thing !!
    we just love cover bands night after night ....
  13. JonH

    JonH Guest

    Try it for God sake. If it sux then give all the credit to the man behind the idea. If it is great, then it's your idea. But it's not a good idea.
  14. Johnson Cabasa

    Johnson Cabasa Active Member

    Sep 5, 2003
    i have done completely different eq's and compressions between verse and chorus and bridge. michael wagener was saying that on a kings x thing he did they recorded 3 different drum kits for the same sone one for the veryse one for the chours and one for the bridge.

    i got the diferent mixes for verse and chorus idea from an interview i read with ken scott about supertramp he said that some of the chorses were like 3dn louder than the verses

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