Its been a long time since I've posted anything here, but if I remember correctly, you guys are full of good information. Our church has started to discuss upgrading the sound system. The other sound engineer and I are wanting to purchase a console with plenty of expansion room for the next 15 years. In short, we were able to show that in the last 10 years, we've spent on bandaids about double what it would take to have a system that would be capable of meeting the next 15 years of expansion. I'm also tired of juggling cables during holiday community services. After browsing around for a bit, I've noticed people noting quite a few problems with the Soundcraft LIVE boards, so I am starting to lean away from them. I don't have any on-hand experience with the GL-2800 series from Allen & Heath, but I assume the 4800's I've used are similar. The major thing nobody who uses the console at our church likes about our Mackie 24.4 is no resistance on the fader. If the aux send on a channel is above 12 o'clock and the gain is brought up above about 1 o'clock, we overload the channel. It's also like there is a threshold there where you barely tap the gain to the right and you went from a 1kHz tone being 0dBu to clipping out. I've found the EQ's to be hit or miss on it also. Also, when I send to subgroups to make the drums and bgv's a bit easier to control, the level drops a bit. However, from what I have read, the Onyx is supposed to be much better. One other thing we are considering is a lot of Christian band tech riders specifically put Mackie in as "not allowed". That's another reason we like the Allen & Heath console... one less thing to rent for a youth function, and we're trying to get away from renting much at all. We both like the layout of the 2800 best, which is what we are leaning towards. But I would like to hear some things about the Onyx. We've been told about the same price on each of them, so it's really a non-issue there. We just need to know if we should consider the Onyx.