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A new home for my M-Audio Delta 1010

Discussion in 'Recording' started by MikeMohan, Feb 3, 2005.

  1. MikeMohan

    MikeMohan Guest

    For the past 4-5 years, I've done my recording with my Midiman (M-Audio) Delta 1010 PCI card running through a PIII 866 Mhz with 384 MB PC133 RAM. However, I think it's time to accept that I may be outgrowing the old thing :).

    My current programs are Sonar as my main sequencer, with Reason rewired (5-10 instruments) and Sampletank as a Dxi synth (5-10 instruments). I usually also load 5-10 eqs, reverbs, and compressors per project.

    With my current system, I can't get as many instruments/dxi's as I'd like. After reaching a certain point (like the one described above), my CPU meter in Sonar climbs to 100% or so and instability ensues.

    As a result, I'm looking to pick up a new CPU, Motherboard, RAM, and video card and was hoping for some economical suggestions.

    Regarding the CPU, I was considering picking up a P4 or something high end, but given the nature of my problem, I'm not so sure I really NEED a super high-end CPU. I'm almost getting by on a PIII! Isn't my situation just one of RAM insufficiency? Because if it is, I'd rather save my money and get a low end Celeron.

    Regarding the motherboard, I'm thinking Asus for reliability, but I'm uncertain of my chipset. Do you know if there are any current Intel or other chipsets I'd do best to steer clear of? I get the impression compatibility was a bigger problem 4-5 years ago when I was getting started, but don't want to make a mistake . . .

    For RAM, I'm figuring 1 gig, given that my 384 is giving me about half the instruments/dxi's I want. Will that help, or be overkill?

    As far as a video card goes, I have no intention of running multiple monitors (though the option might be cool). I just want the cheapest thing money can buy that won't cause my system to fall apart. Any suggestions? I was considering getting integrated video, but I'm told this may be a really bad idea for a DAW (though not by an informed source).

    I've been out of the computer market for a couple years now, so I really appreciate any input you guys can give me.

    Thanks in advance.

  2. anonymous

    anonymous Guests


    if you want the best VSTi abiliity then get an AMD 64 939 System.
    far better memory performance vs P4.

    and yes 1 Gig is minimum for VSTi.

  3. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

    I would have to agree with ADK on this. Athlon 64's would seem to fit your needs well. There's nothing wrong with P4's but if you want to save money and get great performance at the same time go with a 64.

    Stay away from Celerons, they are not for DAW use and may perform only slightly better than your PIII.

    As far as Mobo's stay away from VIA and SiS chipsets. If you go 64 the n'Vidia chipsets are best.

    1GB of RAM or better would do you fine. Don't buy noname RAM, get branded RAM (I like Corsair) and since your not OC'ing standard is fine (try Corsair Value Select).

    Don't get integrated video. To save money get a low end 3D card from ATI or n'Vidia.

    Good Luck!
  4. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    I got my Matrox G450 (16MB) for $29.
  5. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

    Now that's a steal, nice!
  6. MikeMohan

    MikeMohan Guest

    About the AMD 64

    Thanks for the feedback guys. I've looked around, and although I can see how an Athlon 64 would give better performance, I'm not sure how it would save me money.

    All prices Canadian dollars.

    • P4 2.4 Ghz = $175
      Asus p4p800 (intel chipset) = $110
    • AMD 64 3000+ (2 Ghz; 754 socket) = $180
      Asus K8N-E Deluxe (n'Vidia chipset) = $180
    So the bottom of the line AMD 64 system costs me $80 more than a bottom of the line P4 ($285 vs. $360). I looked at the AMD 969 chips, and they were even more.

    On top of that, AMD doesn't use AGP. Isn't that a bad thing when it comes to PCI/IRQ conflicts?

    I've read some great reviews of AMD 64 performance and have heard 64 bit OS will be the future, so I like the idea of this suggestion. But I'm still new to this AMD stuff, so any clarification would be great.

  7. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    let me help you put it into perpective

    AMD AMD 3000 is equal to or better than a P4 3.0G 800 fsb.

    these 2 processors should be equally priced.
    as shown by you.
    now to mobos

    Asus P4p is ok (865 chipset) i recommend the Asus P4C 800E which is alot more, however the P4P will do fine just less fluff.

    AMD 939 boards DO NOT BUY PCI-E they are terrible for audio.

    get Gigabyte 8Kns Ultra 939 (AGP) should be around $130 or less.

    so now your about the same price point for far better performance.
    and if your adventerous the AMD should OC to much higher numbers, however i cant recommend you do that unless you are a good tweaker. a badly done OC will kill audio.

    happy shopping

  8. MikeMohan

    MikeMohan Guest

    $189 AMD 3000+ 939
    $119 Gigabyte K8NS 939 (AGP)

    ~ Same price as the P4/Asus. ADK, you are my hero.

    For video card, I understand Matrox and GeForce are good brands. Do you or anyone else have any specific suggestions for someone like me who's looking for essentially the cheapest that won't likely cause problems with the AMD/nForce3 250 Chipset/Delta 1010?

    I'm really looking forward to getting this thing off the ground ...

  9. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Hey Mike,
    glad to help. if your using Nuendo/Cuabse then the Matrox is my recomendation. it has less CPU spikes when zooming to track.
    with everything else we favor the Nvidia due to less driver issues than ATI.
    our default is the Nvidia FX 5200 good enough for 2d in any proggie.
    if you also do video editing then an FX5700 or higher.
    (or gaming which is a nono! but hey not all of can afford 2 computers)

    lastly use the Nvidia Sata not the Silicon Image.
    particularly with M-Audio Delta products, in fact you may want to skip Sata completely as too many people have had issues with it and Delta cards

  10. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    If you do go with a 64 bit system, be sure to give Sonar64 a try and let us know how it goes.
  11. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

    I agree the n'Vidia SATA is a better choice. In fact rather than forgo SATA I would dump the Delta (if you have issues) and stick with SATA unless you have the coins for SCSI.

    If you do intend to do any gaming (as Scott said it's best not to but they can peacefully coexist on the same machine) get the ATI unless your playing alot of Open GL games. The ATI's perform better on just about everything but Open GL. I have read about some of the issues mentioned about ATI drivers but have not had any problems with my ATI's. I agree though if it's strictly a DAW the Matrox or n'Vidia is the safer bet. Why take chances.
  12. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

    BTW, just one more thing to add since Scott brought this up. If you intend to use your machine for audio and video go with the P4 as it encodes video much faster than the Athlon's. This is one area where the 64's really fall short of the P4's. For any other uses the Athlon's will be just fine.
  13. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Hey Big D,
    i would have agreed with you 100% about video until now.
    the 939s are turning in numbers equal to P4 for video.
    the dual opterons are killing the Xeons.
    we have tested using Pinnacle Liquid 6 (background renders using both CPU and GPU very cool)
    Avid, Adobe, Lightwave, toaster VT4.

    i think the reason behind this is due to Mac adopting the AMD Hypertransport and therefore they all (software vendors) finally added optimisation past SSE.
    that or the sheer CPU and memory power has just caught up!

  14. Big_D

    Big_D Well-Known Member

    Hey Scott, Thanks for the info, I haven't had a chance to benchmark the 939's yet so this is very good to know.

    I would think all 3 reasons would come into play somewhat. Dual channel support and changes in the 939's architecture certainly help. While single chip Hypertransport is much faster and efficient than North/South Birdge arrangements. I kind of see the getting past SSE as just icing on the cake.

    Good info, keep us updated.
  15. MikeMohan

    MikeMohan Guest

    For the record, everything worked great. I'm fully updated and installed and it's all operating quite smoothly. Compared to the last computer I had the Delta in, this one's been a breeze to get going.

    Thanks everyone who helped.

    AMD 3000+ 939
    Gigabyte K8NS 939 (AGP)
    1 gig RAM
    New ATX tower
    NVIDIA TNT2 video

    Total cost of upgrade ~ $670 Canadian.

    Although it's not disabled, I am not using the SATA and probably won't anytime soon - I don't really need it right now.

  16. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    very Sweet! i love a success story.

    and you used my fav board!


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