A Question for Don about Audio Restoration (Sonic vs Cedar)

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by RubenO, Jan 31, 2005.

  1. RubenO

    RubenO Guest

    Hi Don,

    I just finish reading your bio on your site and I must say it is very impressive. I do audio restoration myself and I use the Cedar Cambridge System to restore audio. I was looking into buying a Sonic System a few months back thinking it may be better than the Cedar. But after I submitted 5 problematic audio snippets to the people at Sonic to restore for me to show me the results of Sonic No Noise I was very dissapointed. What they returned was the same songs with loss of high end and all the problems still there which I found really funny. Considering all the tweaks you can do with the software I figured to hear a next to CD Quality result.

    Have you ever worked with the Cedar System? If so, how did it compare to the Sonic No Noise? The Cedar we have is Hardware Based so Signals get repaired almost in real time with no deteriation to the original signal. Whatever the Cedar leaves behind, we usually touch up by hand. For the most part it does an excellent job.

    The reason I bring this up is because I have an opportunity to pick up a used Sonic System for a 3rd of the going price and I want to see if No Noise is even worth it from someone who uses it on the Regular. What else is the Sonic System good for if I already own a Pro Tools HD system?

    Thanks
    Ruben
     
  2. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    Well, the sonicHD system has it's pluses but I think if all you are looking for is no noise, than get the plugin. Your Cedar system IMO is much better. doesn't mean a Sonic system wouldn't be good to have though.
     
  3. RubenO

    RubenO Guest

    Wow, that was fast :)
    What are the pluses of the Sonic over ProTools HD? I know the Sonic runs on an older NuBus Machine If I believe right. I think the newer Sonic runs on PCI or maybe not.

    Is there any other High End Audio Restoration Systems I may not know about?
     
  4. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    The SonicHD runs on PCI, the older sonics run on pci and nubus. sonic system is a mastering system where as Protools HD is a tracking system. the difference is in the layout, editing features, and master creation, plus other internal junk. If you are looking for an editor and final burning system, then sonic is great. Protools HD is a different beast. If you are serious about a sonic system, then your best bet would be to get a demo.


    Algorhythmics has got some PC based stuff that is very good.
     
  5. Algorhythmics

    Will second the Algorhythmics noise plugs with two thumbs up. Very impressive. I'd also second Michael's suggestion that a whole new system is probably not necessary and to go with a plug-in. What you will get with Sonic is a superior editing platform and master disc output capabilities, so if that's something that you'll need then hey... but it is an OLD Sonic system, I wouldn't want to be stuck with that beast.

    As far as the samples that they sent, who knows, maybe they've got some intern in a closet cranking them out...
     
  6. FifthCircle

    FifthCircle Well-Known Member

    Another recommendation for the new Algorithmix plugs. ReNOVAtor is pretty amazing and the dehisser is also particularly good... Used them on Sequoia, but they are also available for Pyramix and as a DX plugin that can run on other systems...

    --Ben
     
  7. RubenO

    RubenO Guest

    Can anyone reccomend any good 2 Track editors something Similar to the Old and Simple Sound Designer ll? Right now I'm using Peak on the Mac G5 and Sound Forge 7 on the PC. I never heard of this Algorithmix Company, so I just ordered a demo from them for the PC.

    Ruben
     
  8. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    Well I had an awesome demo of the Sequoia system and I liked it very much.
     
  9. lucidwaves

    lucidwaves Guest

    I use Samplitude Master and Adobe Audition. Samplitude is great and available for both pc and mac. Audition is also pretty good but it is pc only.
     
  10. FifthCircle

    FifthCircle Well-Known Member

    Most of the stuff out there these days seems to be PC-based... Those that know me know my preference for Sequoia. Use it every day and wouldn't use anything else (at least wouldn't choose to use). I know others that feel the same way about Wavelab, Pyramix, and SADiE. On the Mac side, still is a pretty loyal group of Sonic users, but not as many as there once was...

    All of these, though, are a pretty massive step up in price from Peak and Sound Forge.

    --Ben
     
  11. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member


    I think samplitude is PC only.
     
  12. FifthCircle

    FifthCircle Well-Known Member

    Missed that... Yes, Michael is correct. Samplitude is PC only (as is Sequoia).

    --Ben
     
  13. FifthCircle

    FifthCircle Well-Known Member

    Missed that... Yes, Michael is correct. Samplitude is PC only (as is Sequoia).

    --Ben
     
  14. lucidwaves

    lucidwaves Guest

    Your right. Sorry about that . I bought my copy from macmidimusic dot com, I guess that is where my confusion came in.
     

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